Reprobate Mind and Homosexuality?

Posted: November 14, 2010 in God's Okay With Gay
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God’s Okay With Gay

Today we often hear people who proclaim themselves to be Christians condemning those who are gay. If it isn’t the angry men and women holding signs about how homosexuals are going to burn in hell (which doesn’t exist the way they believe), then it is those self proclaimed Christian Leaders publicly denouncing, shaming, and condemning anyone who was orientated this way. And yes we even have those so-called born again celebrities like Kirk Cameron that will go on the air and show the world just how ignorant he really is about the scriptures, much less God himself. There are two rules we MUST abide by as children of the Most High and that is LOVE GOD, and LOVE OTHERS. Now the word OTHERS doesn’t mean just those who go to your church, it means EVERYONE. Now some Christians will say that it is LOVE to say that a person’s lifestyle is wrong, yet that is NOT what LOVE IS. Love does not judge, and yes we are told not to judge. In fact, the scriptures are clear about what LOVE is. Here is one simple paragraph from Ephesians that spells out what Love is.

1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails.


LOVE DOES NOT KEEP A RECORD OF WRONG DOING, and GOD IS LOVE. LOVE DOES NOT DISHONOR OTHERS, and GOD IS LOVE. Love does never fails! Love waits for the lost to return with open arms and doesn’t ask where they have been, and doesn’t care. Love forgives, love does not cast out, love does not judge, LOVE NEVER FAILS, and GOD IS LOVE!

To believe you are somehow better than another because you are oriented as a heterosexual is self serving. LOVE IS NOT SELF SERVING, and GOD IS LOVE. To state that others are someone an abomination to God for being the very thing God created them to be is more offensive to the creator than the creation. Because the POTTER is the one with all the power. And the POTTER IS LOVE!

The very same “christian leaders” that condemn people for being oriented toward the same sex are usually the most corrupt hypocrites around, they lie, they cheat, they itch ears to get what they want, they condemn, they gossip, they tear down, they steal, they do everything they can to make their religious kingdom bigger and it is always at the expense of the very people that should be helped the most. So when I hear any Christian leader taking a stand against same sex marriage or homosexuality it always bothers me. 1st because it is ungoldy to do so, and 2nd because these very same people that use the scriptures to beat down others don’t understand the scriptures themselves. The reason is the are seeing what they want to see as opposed to rightly dividing what is written. One of the most misunderstood and mistranslated of these is Romans Chapter one, which many pastors and priests use to condemn homosexuals. I’d like to shed some light on this chapter and open the eyes of those who have believe God would hate the very person he created because of how he created them.

LET’S BEGIN!

Romans Chapter One is the most quoted book in the scripture used to state that being gay is a big no, no, when it comes to God. BUT LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, ROMANS CHAPTER ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXUALITY!!!!

Now for years, I have shared this with others, and for years people have decided to believe what they want, regardless of the evidence placed in front of them. I want to start by saying, God is in control of all things. He created all things, is large and in charge and NOTHING can stop his will.

Isaiah 9
10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:


And what is God’s will, counsel, and pleasure? To bring all things into Christ.

Ephesians 1
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


That’s right, God does the work people. He is the potter, we are the clay. God cannot fail, and that is the GOOD NEWS. ALL THING WILL COME TO THE STATURE OF THE PERFECT MAN (CHRIST) AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. That means no one, and nothing is left out. Eventually, ALL will be perfected, because it is God’s will that ALL be saved. 1 Timothy Chapter 4:10.

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Now, I could list hundreds of other passages that prove salvation will come to all humanity, but that is not what this essay is about. This essay is about righting the WRONG interpretation of a Chapter One in Romans, which actually gives us more hope that God is in control, and everything is going according to plan, than having to do with homosexuality.

Romans One, teaches us how God course corrects us spiritually. When we go off the straight and narrow, he brings us back through what we suffer. And he even uses our ignorance and hardness of heart to bring others into the glorious light of his Gospel. Yes, even the WICKED are God’s instrument of correction.


Psalm 17:13
Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword


Now, before I get into The “Reprobate Mind” deal, let me first say, we do make choices every day. But every choice is influenced by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of other factors. But most importantly, every choice we make has a consequence.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap


This proces of REAPING AND SOWING, is a great tool. We eventually learn that it is better to love than hate, to forgive than be bitter, to give instead of take. This is a system that will never fail, God’s election to save humanity will stand. The ONLY ONE DESTROYED in the end is the CARNAL MAN. And Romans One is talking about how many have left the truth of God to serve this carnal meathead nature.

ROMANS ONE isn’t stating that God is upset because a man or woman is attracted and oriented toward the same sex. In fact, homosexuality is of God, made of God, as he creates all things for us to learn from in the physical. It teaches people to love regardless of how foreign something seems to us.

1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


And for those who CONDEMN people who are gay, who say they cannot lead a congregation, attend a church, that they will burn in Hell (which hopefully you know Hell = Grave = Your ignorance.. by now) – But this condemnation… That many say is “LOVING the person but hating the sin” is a bunch of nonsence.

Let me show you what LOVE is, and let’s see if “Casting people out and condemnation” is part of Love.

Galatians 5
14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


You MUST love others as you love yourself, do unto others as you want done unto you. Love does not tear down, it builds, it doesn’t attack and give up, it sticks around and is steadfast!

This is the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT – 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

In other words, if you are operating out of the SPIRIT OF GOD/TRUTH/LOVE then this is your fruit. If you are operating out of your FLESH (to fulfill the lusts thereof) you are operating out of the carnal mind which produces DEATH (ignorance/suffering/ and condemnation) – That’s right the FLESH is not your SKIN, the FLESH is the carnal mind.

Let me show you clearly, so it is easy to see that the FLESH is a symbol of CARNAL THINKING.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Now with all that being said, it should be clear, A) God is in control and makes things as he sees fit. B) Nothing can keep God from accomplishing his will (save humanity). C) We cannot condemn others and say we love God because if we do this we are liars. D) The Lusts of the Flesh have nothing to do with our sensual urges, but our sensual worship, worshipping the creature not the creator.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ROMANS ONE is speaking of. This is not Paul going off on people who are gay, but Paui speaking of how SO MANY HAVE DEPARTED FROM THE FAITH. The Faith, which is the TRUE WORSHIP of God’s sovereignty. Which, you will see if going on right now, at many churches/temples/mosques/kingdom halls/etc near you.

SO LET’S BEGIN SHALL WE?

Now to save time, I’m going to briefly sum up what Paul is talking about, before we get into those passages everyone seems to quote. You know those gay bashing Christian Quotes.

Romans 1
1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)


Paul starts off, as most of his letters do, by stating who he is and how he is SEPARATED to the TRUTH, which is the good news I wrote of earlier. The Good news which was promised for all in the scriptures. Paul then goes on to tell the Romans how he wants to visit them, that he has heard of their faith and wants a prosperous journey, yadda, yadda, yadda, and that he wants to impart some spiritual gift to them… Which, for those who think this is miracle healing, or speaking jibberish, or falling out, etc… I want you to know the spiritual gift imparted ALWAYS IS THE IMPARTING OF THE TRUTH!

When someone is seen laying on hands in scripture, this is an allegory of someone imparting the authority of the truth onto another, which HEALS the PERSON SPIRITUALLY! (the blind cannot SEE the truth, the deaf can’t HEAR the truth, the Lame can’t walk upright, the DEAD are ignorant) – But I digress, the imparting of the SPIRITUAL GIFT, Paul speaks of, is sharing his faith as you’re about to see.

11For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; 12That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the MUTUAL FAITH both of you and me.

The ONLY SPIRITUAL GIFT there is, is the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, which is FOR ALL MANKIND, the power of God unto SALVATION. This is the gift indeed, and this is what Paul is imparting, THE TRUTH. So they may be established in this FAITH, MUTUALLY. “One Spirit, one Mind, One Body, One God” ONE = UNITY OF THE TRUTH.

MOVING ON:

So, now we get into the meat of what this letter to the Romans is about.

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Paul isn’t ashamed of the TRUTH, because the TRUTH/WORD/CHRIST is the only thing that sets us free to be saved. He goes on to say, that it is salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVES. And we know that to believe this TRUTH, you must be able to submit to it, and confess it. And guess what?

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


That’s right, I’m not ashamed either. EVERYONE will eventually come to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH! To God’s glory. To the Jew First and then the Gentile, and a simple study shows that ALL GENTILES are brought in, so ALL ISRAEL WILL be saved as well… MEANING, NO ONE IS LEFT OUT!

So far, it’s easy to see Paul is not speaking about sexuality. He is talking about CHRIST, the power of God and salvation. This is what ROMANS CHAPTER ONE is about people, as you’ll see.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Now Paul goes on to explain, that God’s righteousness is revealed by living in the FAITH of his TRUTH. And he goes on to speak about how God’s wrath is revealed from heaven (which is within all of us) to CORRECT US FROM the lies we have believed.

God will always correct people when they begin to worship false gods (beliefs/teachings) – When that happens God must “course correct”. He does this by pouring out his WRATH, and when you understand what the word origen of WRATH means, you’ll see it is how God brings us to his truth. (Word/Christ)

WRATH = o¹reÑgomai = to stretch one’s self out in order to touch or to grasp something, to reach after or desire something

It’s amazing to see, that GOD’S WRATH is actually what he does to you, for you to UNDERSTAND the TRUTH of who you are in HIM. His wrath is to get you to STRETCH TOWARD HIM, TO GO FURTHER IN HIM, TO GRASP HIS NATURE WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU!

So far, we can easily understand, Paul’s letter is speaking of MAN’S BELIEFS and FAITH. It is all about KNOWING GOD, CHRIST, and OUR RELATIONSHIP with the CREATOR.

For 18 verses, this is what this letter has been about. not about Paul saying, “hey look, I hear there are some gays among you, that’s messed up dude! God hates those fags!” – NO, God forbid, God loves all his creation and EVERYTHING HE HAS MADE is NEVER to be called UNCOMMON!

Ecclesiastes 3:11
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time


There is a point and purpose and season for EVERYTHING UNDER THE SON! But let’s continue…

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Paul is still going on about BELIEF AND FAITH in the TRUTH OF GOD. Paul is saying, people should have no excuse, that even the things that are made are there to help us to understand God and his power. I always say, our lives are a wonderful allegory of what is going on spiritually. From where we work, to what we eat, how we dress, the car we drive… If you look at your life, and really analyze it, you’ll find great spiritual insight. You will also see that those things that anger you the most, the people that hurt you the most, are actually there to help you OVERCOME the most, LOVE the most, and TRUST in God like never before! This is the WRATH that is poured out from HEAVEN (Within). If you won’t listen to the shepherd, that sheep dog will make you suffer until you do. Even our heartaches are there to drive us to the kingdom. Indeed, through MUCH TRIBULATION we enter the Kingdom (rule) of God.

But, still, we see Paul is speaking of KNOWING AND HAVING FAITH IN GOD. Let’s continue…

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

NOW HERE is the purpose of this entire first chapter of Romans. Notice, Paul is NOT TALKING about sexuality! Paul is speaking of people BECOMING IGNORANT AND FOOLISH. Paul is saying, that when people knew God, they didn’t glorify God as God or were thankful. In fact, they became VAIN, puffed up with pride, and basically created this crazy thing called religion. And instead of LOVING GOD AND OTHERS, they began to condemn others, hate other, and tell others what they should or shouldn’t do. How to worship “man’s god” and how not to worship “man’s god”. Who is worthy of “man’s god” and who is not… These religious meatheads started telling everyone, “they” were wise and knew the truth of God. They said, they were the authority on the things of God and so they actually became FOOLS. Their hearts were darkened, which means THEY BECAME IGNORANT of God’s truth!

YOU SEE, this, THIS, is what Paul is writing to the Romans about. Many were following after VAIN, FALSE TEACHING and BELIEFS. They changed the TRUTH of GOD into a LIE, and began to WORSHIP MANKIND (THE CREATURE) instead of God, as you’ll soon see.

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Here we are verse 23, and STILL Paul is talking about people having FALSE BELIEFS about God. This has NOTHING to do with LITERAL SEX!

He is speaking very clearly about people TURNING the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man – Hey, anyone here WORSHIP the “MAN JESUS” AS GOD LATELY?

Ah, but that’s another essay on my blog for you to check out later!

My goal, today is to show you that ROMANS 1 is about how Man began to WORSHIP MAN and SERVE MAN instead of God! Leaving God out of the equation… Man instead of realizing who they are in Christ, became ANTICHRIST in their VAIN imaginations. So, because of Man’s false beliefs, God decides to GIVE THEM OVER TO THEIR FALSE BELIEFS COMPLETLY, which in fact will ultimately frustrate them (the law kills) and bring them back to HIM…

Moving on… Now read the next verse in context to everything else that has been stated to this point and it will be impossible to believe that Paul is speaking of homosexuality.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Oh, I know, some will say, this is where God begins to bash those gays. But you would be SO WRONG to jump to that conclusion. In fact, you would be doing EXACTLY what Paul says “Those vain fools” are doing.

Now, I know it seems that when you read words like “THEIR OWN BODIES” and how they began to DISHOUNOR their own Bodies… that to the IGNORANT VAIN BELIEVER, it may seem like God is talking about Gays, but YOU COULDN’T BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

First of all, a literal physical body has no conscience, and so it cannot be DISHOUNORED! … Secondly, the word BODIES is not speaking of literal BODIES, as we are meant to be the BODY OF CHRIST, (A MINDSET OF BELIEVERS) — You see the BODIES that are being DISHONOURED here are the consciences of those who have left the TRUTH OF GOD for the LIES OF MAN.

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


This is what is being dishonoured, man’s conscience. Once you leave the truth of God, you leave the peace that is only found in Christ and the end result is you will have NO REST until you return. And no worries, ALL RETURN!

But for those who thought this passage was speaking of homosexuals… read the next verse.

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

WOW, will you look at that, once again it has nothing to do with physicality. Paul is speaking about mankind turning the Truth of God (Love) into a Lie (Condemnation), and how mankind has begun to serve their carnal natures and beliefs instead of the CREATOR! – IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING GAY!

Oh, but the next line is the doozy, YOU’LL SAY!

Paul for 25 verses is SPEAKING ABOUT OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE and how man has left the Truth of God for lies, and the worship of man made nonsence, and then IN the next verse Paul says…

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

God gave them over to their VILE AFFECTIONS… Now what were their VILE AFFECTIONS AGAIN? Was Paul just talking about how men love men and women love women? NO! Their vile affection was that they left GOD to worship and serve MAN AND RELIGION. That was their VILE AFFECTION, THEIR CARNAL DESIRE TO BE GOD THEMSELVES!

They thought they knew it all about God, and so they made MANKIND god, and began to worship and serve that. Paul is talking about SPIRITUAL things PEOPLE… But when people read that “women change natural use into that which is against nature” ignorant carnal people say, “This is talking about women having sex with women and having anal sex” – May I say to those who believe such things, THIS SAYS MORE ABOUT YOUR LUSTS PHYSICALLY than it does about what Paul is speaking of.

The woman, Paul is speaking of… the same WOMAN that is never to speak in Temple. Is NOT A LITERAL WOMAN. A Woman is a symbol of that which gives birth TO SOMETHING.

John 16:21
A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.


The WOMAN of scripture, is the same that decieved ADAM (the man) – The woman is the SOUL (sense of being) – It is the sensual understanding of man, that leads man astray.

Proverbs 2:16
To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words


When we follow after our SOULISH NATURE and stray from the SPIRIT OF GOD, we end up in trouble… But you’ll see, almost everywhere in scripture “the WOMAN” IS A SYMBOL of God’s lost children. The SOUL of man, which is to give birth to CHRIST in the here and now. To BIRTH the spiritual truth in the natural. But when you follow after the LIES of the world, and when you LEAVE THE TRUTH OF GOD to serve mankind, the WOMAN changes what IS ITS natural use, for that which is NOT NATURAL… meaning, the womb of our soul is left barren of truth and only births lies… But for FURTHER insight into what THE WORD “NATURAL” means, for those pervs out there. Let’s go to the word origin.

Natural – fusiko/v = produced by nature, inborn

Now with that in mind. Let’s look at that scripture again, with new eyes.

… for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

“For we (ourselves) changed what is INBORN (Christ) into that which is against Christ (ANTI-CHRIST)”

Once again, we see Paul is still writing about SPIRITUAL things. This whole letter is about MANKINd WORSHIPPING MANKIND… Man wanting desperately to worship and serve man! And by doing this, the TRUTH OF WHO WE ARE INSIDE is still hidden in the DEATH of who we believe ourselves to be.

Now the next, verse THE SAME AS THE FIRST :)… KEEPING ALL OF THIS IN MIND makes so much MORE sense.

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Now, I want to take this one piece at a time. Because you will soon see HOW MISLED you have been by homophobic and biased religious teachers.

I will translate and give the proper interpretation next to each line of scripture.

And likewise also the men = The word MEN here doesn’t mean LITERAL MAN, it means – MEN = aiµrw = to take upon one’s self and carry what has been raised up, to bear


We see here, we were supposed to bear up Christ but we didn’t, we LEFT the natural use of the woman (That is INBORN in us)… TO DO THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY (I’ll get there in a sec.)

Now I want to point out that word “LEFT” doesn’t mean, Men decided “hey I am going to leave having sex with a woman to have sex with men” that’s ridiculous… Especially when you understand what the word LEFT actually means from the GREEK.

LEFT = a)fiðhmi = to send away, divorce, disregard

You put it all together and you find out… That We were supposed to RAISE UP Christ IN US, but we decided to disregard the very spirit INBORN, within us, so that we instead could worship and serve the CREATURE, the OUTSIDE TEMPORAL WORLD! And so we “BURNED our lusts torward one another, or should I say, one another’s beliefs/lies!”

MANKIND’S LUSTS has nothing to do with what people say it means today. The LUST OF MAN is to BE GOD. And this is what Paul is speaking of. And by worshipping and serving the CREATURE instead of the CREATOR, we began “WORKING that which is unseemly”.

Translation anyone?

WORKING = katerga/zomai = accomplish, achieve

UNSEEMLY = a)sxhmosu/nh = Ones nakedness, shame

It should be very easy to see, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LITERAL PHYSICAL SEX!

When Mankind abandons the Christ that is INBORN, and disregards the very NATURE OF CHRIST that is meant to be RAISED WITHIN because they would rather worship the CREATURE (carnal mankind and the temporal world) the end result is, they ACCOMPLISH NOTHING BUT SEEING THEIR OWN SHAME, NAKEDNESS, AND LIMITATION.

Oh, still don’t believe me… Well, if those two verses, WHICH I TRANSLATED PROPERLY were meant to discuss a persons orientation sexually, then WHY ARE THESE THE NEXT WORDS PAUL WRITES?

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

YOU SEE, Mankind refused to keep GOD in their minds. So God gave them over to their IGNORANCE, to do those things which are NOT CONVENIENT… And no this is NOT SPEAKING OF ANAL SEX, mind out of the gutter people.

REPROBATE = a)do/kimov = not standing the test, not approved

CONVENIENT = kaqiðhmi = to come to the knowledge of, to reach to

Will you look at those WONDERFULLY, PROPERLY, TRANSLATED WORDS… Once again, showing that when MANKIND refuses the truth of God, that which is WITHIN THEM (Christ) will not be birthed, And so God will NOT APPROVE them, and they wil NOT COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, or REACH the STATURE of the perfect man (CHRIST).

Now, if anyone, after reading this paper could still go out and quote Romans 1, as a reason why Gays will be punished, they should realize IT IS THEY THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE REPROBATE MIND and will recieve their just reward, IGNORANCE AND THE SUFFERING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT!

Seek God in Truth, Seek God in Spirit, SEEK GOD PEOPLE! The days of God winking at hate and bias are over. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, or get out of the way of those who do!

Peace Jacob
http://www.JacobIsrael.org
“The Truth Will Change You”


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Comments
  1. Oscar says:

    I have a question.
    Is peodeophilia of God? Made of God? As he created all things for us learn from in the physical. Since it teaches people to love regardless of how foreign something seems to us.

    What is your opinion on that? Following your reason it will seen that is OK…

    I strongly believe that both are perversions of the mind.

    • Simple way to know if things are of God or not. Do your actions HURT others? Pedophilia most definately hurts others, being the victim of such I can tell you. A) Rape is not LOVE, and LOVE IS OF GOD — and B) Since it happened to me, than Yes even that horrible thing is also of God, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened, seeing as scriptures states NOTHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE GOD’S WILL. But, the argument put forth her, really is an immature one. You cannot compare two adults in love, with one adult raping a child. – So I would have to say NO, not something anyone should particpate in, considering IT HURTS OTHERS. We don’t know why things happen the way we do, but we do know IF IT ISN’T LOVE that we shouldn’t do it. Last but not least, this paper was to set in order WHAT PAUL WAS WRITING ABOUT, that’s all. So I would say, re-read the paper is SEE what is really being said. Peace my man, J

      • L says:

        Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)

        22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      • L, to “LIE” with “mankind” means to become one with carnal thinking. That is an abomination (not what God intended) to us. But look at what else is an abomination… eating shrimp, lobster, touching a dead body, getting your period, fowls of the air, four legged animals, creeping things… These are ALL wonderful allegories IF you allow the spirit of the scriptures to speak. Do a simple search of what is an abomination to the Lord, and IF these are literal, than many people are found to be an abomination as well… here are some for you to read. Leviticus 11:20
        All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. Dolphins are an abomination too… FLIPPER REALLY? :) Leviticus 11:10
        And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: — the waters here are an allegories of manind’s carnal worldly ways. This is why Jesus walked above the water and never sank in. Look within man, there is much more to know. Peace!

  2. Dean says:

    pedophiles
    are those that set as God over someones else life…filling their own desire.. spiritually and physically…… blessing

  3. Stephanie says:

    Wow!!!… I know that we are supposed to love for sure and I do accept all but what I don’t know is how to translate the word in that way…..wow again :) I also see (I am a nutritional wellness consultant) that even in my profession I am trying to make people “whole” by nutrition and not the spirit of CHRIST… thanks for the insight but what do I do now lol :)

    • Stephanie there is a great on line interlinear site, that translates the words in record time, it’s called STUDYLIGHT.ORG – go to interlinear bible and it basically will translate every word for you if you ever have questions. Thanks for the comment and I pray gGod continues to bless your practice!

  4. Stephanie says:

    Thanks Jacob… I checked out the web site. awesome, thanks :)

  5. Rhonda Lever says:

    Hi Jacob,
    just want you to know I found this word very interesting as I find all your writings. My 17 year old son has a friend who is struggling with the issue of his attraction towards his own sex. the religious viewpoint produces so much pain, condemnation and hoeplessness when the truth would indeed set free! I have frequently shared your emails with my son and other friends and family and they have often been the vehicle God has used to answer particular questions I have been seeking Him for. Blessing to you and your family and may you continually be encouraged as you seek and share the truth.There are many more you help then you could possibly know.

  6. David Larsen says:

    I have a thought.
    Leviticus 18:22
    Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind
    It is abomination.
    This is listed to the children of Israel along with a lot of other things they were not to do.
    Almost all the time the bible just means what it says and says what it means. It is not some secret message that only a few know and with out their help we would all be lost. I do have to admit that you are better then most at weaving a tale to convince the simple of things that for some reason something you want them to believe. Paul message is a simple one and in contex is one that is hard to not understand you really have to stretch to believe the story you have woven.

    • David,

      You can’t pick and choose what is literal and symbolic, ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION and GOD SPEAKS IN DARK SAYINGS IN PARABLE… the Letter KILLS! If you want to live by the letter of the law, once your children talk back to you you need to stone them to death, you better not eat shrimp, pork, or any unclean thing, you better not be overweight or you should kill yourself (These are all parts of the LAW) – MOSES gave us the LAW. You want to live FOR MOSES (THE ACCUSER) WHO WILL NEVER HELP YOU ENTER THE PROMISE LAND… by all means. But I live by CHRIST, and there is LIBERTY AND FREEDOM in Christ, and NO CONDEMNATION! David, learn LOVE brother or you have not the love of God working in you. peace

      • The woman (soulish ways) is the weaker vessel. This is why the woman (man’s soul/sense of being/who they think they are) should remain silent. As I said before it is all allegory… Remember Jesus ONLY spoke in Parable, God opens his mouth in allegory and dark sayings, The Kingdom is a MYSTERY… But most importantly, God does not look to the works of the flesh (sex/lusts/ignorance) God looks to the heart :)

    • Laurie says:

      Isn’t that pulling a scripture out of context? What is the chapter Talking about? It says what it is talking about in the beginning of the Chapter. It’s about religious Customs of Egypt and Canaan. God didn’t want them doing those. I have a link that delves into those customs. You could read it and then go back and read that chapter and have new eyes as to the “context”. https://sites.google.com/a/mccbath.org.uk/www/israel%27sholinesscode

      • Laurie says:

        I never ask anyone to do something that I, myself, am not willing to do. I went back and read Chapters 18 through 20 in Leviticus. I also looked up (besides the link that I gave) “Molech”. This is a God that the Egyptians and Canaans worshiped through Sexual Acts. Those are the acts that are listed (if you read the article I posted). Chapter 18 mentions Molech in vs 21 ” And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.” And Chapter 20 mentions Molech numerus Times. Molech was also the God that they would sacrifice their children to. The Jews were brought up around this and participated in these acts. Having Gone back and read all that and realizing this was the “Letter of the Law” to try and change the people’s customs and worshiping of false Gods…I don’t see how Leviticus 18:22 (Taken out of contest) has to do with God being against Gays? It clearly is about worshiping other Gods and the Customs of Sexual acts to worship or gain favor from Molech. So, it doesn’t dispute what Jacob posted at all. Don’t take my word for it. Look it up and above all, ask God what the truth is about it. If you honestly ask, he will show you. Peace!

      • Laurie says:

        In fact, it only “confirms” to me what Jacob posted. The 2 men having Sex in Leviticus is not JUST two men having Sex. Nope, they are 2 men having Sex as a form of worship to a false God. That’s the reason they have having Sex. It’s going right back to What Jacob posted about “Spiritually Lying” with another men. I always thought it was weird, that Jesus never mentioned anything about Gays in the Bible. He never condemned them. How could that “line up” with God being against Gays if Jesus never said a thing about it? Now..back to Paul. Why did Paul say that in Romans. Let’s remember who Paul was before coming to the full knowledge of Christ. He was a Jew who had Studied the Laws and he knew the History Of The Sexual Worship. It wasn’t by mistake that he used those words. It all kind of ties together now, doesn’t it? At least, a “Light bulb” went off for me.

      • Laurie says:

        Last post. I went and Read Romans Chapter 1 and Chapter 2. Paul was talking to the Jews in that Church. There obviously was a problem with those who were born Jewish and accepted Christ and those that were Gentiles and Accepted Christ. The Jews were boasting. Paul was giving them a History lesson. Thus the reason he used the language he did. The Jews in the Church knew exactly what he was talking about. Chapter 1 vs 21 “21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened”. He was giving back to the Jewish believers the Truth about the Jewish History. Then he goes on about what they Did. In Chapter 2 he is still talking to them, even about circumcision. He’s trying to get them to leave their Carnal minds. So, yes…If you go back and read Leviticus and Romans…You see the Language (context) of the Allegory. It was there for a reason all along. It had nothing to do with Gay Sex at all. It was the History of the Jewish people, having known the Truth, and left it to worship another God. Not exactly something you should be boasting about. ;) Pretty Cool.

  7. David Larsen says:

    I agree with you that there is no condemnation in Christ Jacob. Which is one of the reasons I even took the time to comment on your article. You accuse me of not having the love of God because I bring up 1 scripture from the old testment that clearly shows that your article is faultly. The sayings in scripture are only dark sayings to those in the dark.The scripture I listed was given as a clear command to a people that needed to know what God thought about certain things like dont put your children in the fire and such. God was not trying to trip them up with double talk. And I am not accusing you of any thing I am sure you really believe what you have writen and so do others. Why is it that as soon as someone disputes these great truths that only a few see then they are not walking in love or not even saved? A neat way of doing away with all who have a diffrent thought then your own. Oh well thank you for taking the time to answer. Have a nice day Jacob.

  8. Bayo says:

    It was in the beginning that a man and woman will be seperate and become one. (Marriage in the literal sense and marriage of the church to Christ), If God wanted it to be so (Homosesuality) even the animals around us would be involved in an act such as homosexuality and guess what? it is fruitless because it cannot produce offspring and we know that God Commanded us to be fruitful and multiply(Spiritual and natural). Just my take, though i havelearnt some things from you.

    • Thanks for the input Bayo, but just FYI, there is homosexuality found in nature and in animals as well. I am a straight man, who loves his gorgeous wife and I don’t understand tha “nature” of someone who is homosexual as well. But I also don’t understand the traditions and actions of many who do things that seem contrary to my nature. In any event, this is what I know to be true. I know it is better to love than hate, to accept than cast off. And I know God’s spirit is what helps me to understand this. I had to first come to a place where I could not condemn what I didn’t understand, then I was able to study the subject in scripture and see what is really being stated. My article is simply what scripture is really speaking of, not based on feelings at all, just using scripture to back up scripture. I wish I could just write from the heart, but I know many people need to see this witness in the bible. This article is for them. Thank you for being so loving in your response. It is better to say, I don’t understand and believe something is wrong, then to outright say it is wrong and to hell with them. Much love to you and thanks for the input!

  9. Richard says:

    I am pretty sure that there are references in the new testament about homosexuals not inheriting the kingdom of God. I prefer to see things how God sees them, not how some perverted tool of Satan sees things. Your blindness and your attempts to lead the simple into the same pit that you find yourself will receive an appropriate recompense. I urge you to repent of this wickedness and to see things how God sees things.

    Richard Brough

    • Richard,

      I am a married man of three children, who has never cheated, who adores his family, who loves others, and seeks God above all things. So calling me perverted and a tool of Satan, a) shows that you are lacking the most important of all things LOVE, “do unto others as you want done to yourself”… Unless you want to be called a perverted tool of Satan don’t call others that. Your obviously upset that I see a God of love who is in control of all things. Your comment is so filled with statements that you yourself don’t understand. You don’t know what and who Satan is, you don’t know what the “pit” is, you don’t know what “wickedness” is… But I will give you a hint. What you wrote about me, was a reflection of how you feel about yourself. It’s called projection and I see it many times. Nothing should shake you from your faith, and no one else’s belief should cause you to resort to low blows, name calling, and condemnation. If you could see what I was stating you would rejoice, but you can’t. And that is okay Richard. But trust me when I say, what you do to one you do to yourself. So LOVE man, and remember Christ did not come to CONDEMN those in the world but to SAVE THEM. Try it out it will lift you higher than before. Jacob

    • Those who set aside same-sex attractions as especially sinful are still projecting and perpetuating exponentials of the one sin—the sin of which they are still unaware. To believe God hates is to try to make God in the image of man, and then wish to destroy others in his name while thinking such a reversal of truth acts in favor of salvation. But salvation is beyond the thin layer of ordinary thinking, and about coming out of conflicts of differences completely. There is no partiality to salvation. Although some may think so, no one has ever found the pathway to truth while sitting on a throne of judgment, which they have unknowingly projected thinking it pleases God.
      There is no physical gender in spirit. Same-sex partners are subject to the same universal laws as any other human interactions. Ostracizing and attacking others for any reason, including sexual orientation, reflects the inner conflict behind the eyes of the viewer. To use a personal concept of God as a reason to harm others is a sure sign of allegiance to a desperately derelict ego attempting to save itself. Gender preference in sexual relationships doesn’t matter. What is important is that you love.

      Joe Danna

      • cswisdom says:

        Joe Danna,
        This is only a reply to the comment, “To believe God hates is to try to make God in the image of man.” The scriptures says:

        16 These six things doth the LORD hate : yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.Proverbs 6:15-19

        So there are some things God hates. He just doesn’t hate like humans do – without cause or because something is different than what we know, etc.

  10. Joseph Parish says:

    I have a son who is gay, this helps. Thank you, Jacob! – Joseph

  11. Joseph Parish says:

    wanted to add…I am so sick of the religiuous spirit of condemnation!

  12. Penny says:

    Now this matches with the God I have come to know.
    It seems to me we are always trying to find someone externally to condemn, in an attempt to punish ourselves for the things in us that we think we deserve punishment for. From a God we have been taught has his finger on the trigger of “if you do that or think that, you are disgusting to me!”
    Thank you for helping me to see what was in me all along…
    Penny

  13. cswisdom says:

    Interesting view. I’ve never heard it put this way before. I tried looking up the words you defined at studylight.org, biblestudytools.com, and dictionary.com and still could not find the same definitions you found. Could you point me in the right direction please.

  14. All I can say is that I have been set free from the gay Life style.
    I am married and (to a women and have peace) it been 26 years. However it was a process. Now that is Gods Love. I am a pastor, and will continue to tell everyone, God will set you free if you want to be. I will not lie a say Gay is Ok with God. That is a Lie. Yes, God loves the gay person, but not the SIN.
    If that was the case, why am I set free. I was a mess. I Love what I was doing, but I did not have peace in my soul. Sure you chose scritures to support your point of view, but it not the truth.
    Romems 1:18 is about men having sex with men. I pray people will seek the holy spirit while reading you web sight. Its not of God.

    Pastor Harold Simms JR.

    • Hi Harold, thanks so much for the comment. I’m so glad that you found yourself, you bride, and have a thriving marriage. Coming from experience, there is nothing better than to have someone to love and who loves you too. My wife and kids are my heart! I hope you read the entire article to see how people have twisted scripture to condemn those who are different. I personally know of a couple of pastors, one who was about as big as it gets that pretended not to be gay, had plenty of kids, and all the while was miserable. One made it his life’s work to keep homosexuals from basic rights because he was so ashamed and in such denial of who he was. I have found often times when people attack others for how they live it is one of two things, a) They wish they could live that way and are jealous b) they are already living that way in the shadows. I will say that is no way to live. Let me challenge you to find out what SIN really is. SIN literally means to “miss the mark”, the scriptures call it “a foolish thought/error”. SIN is not some dirty evil act, what it is, is a person doesn’t know any better so they do things that are contrary to their nature and the truth of God… Because of this the person usually will suffer because of it. The first Pastor that I spoke of, lived a lie for years and was miserable, until he finally could “lie” no more. He came out and lost everything for it. Suffered for years and years. Was homeless for awhile and he suffered. But God taught him so much during that time, and today he reaches thousands humbly and is truly making a difference and reaching those that many other pastors would never touch. (Now that last part is truly SIN). People need to stop focusing on sexuality, God does not look to the outward man, but the inward man. Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but a person’s spirit can. God cares about two things, LOVE GOD, LOVE OTHERS. Homosexuality does not break any of these all important laws, HOWEVER, condemning others and casting out others for being different is a HUGE SIN (foolish thought). In any event, I don’t believe you are a liar at all, but I do believe on this point you are incorrect. I hope God sets people free from two things, HATING THEMSELVES, and HATING OTHERS. And as long as people tell other people that being Gay is somehow an abomination to God, which is a horrible misinterpretation of scripture (as the only abomination there is with God is for mankind to worship mankind)… As long as people say people who are gay are an abomination then People will never be set free. LOVE DRAWS A MULTITUDE TO REPENTANCE. God is LOVE, Love does not cast out, it does not strive, it does not hold account, LOVE PREVAILS!!! Peace Harold and thanks for the comment, and I hope my response was acceptable to you.

  15. Gail says:

    wow, where do I start. First of all, I applaud you for your boldness!!
    Secondly, if I am to take the scriptures literally, I see that there are three types of eunuchs. The ones who choose to not have sex with a woman and go to a Monastery. Then there are the Eunuchs who are castrated to be in service to the King in his harem. Then last but not least, those who are born as eunuchs. And from what I read, those who are born eunuchs have more rights than those who have chosen to be. I dont condone fornication of any kind because it brings illnesses and disease, but I dont throw stones at each sin that keeps us from the Kingdom of Heaven ( righteousness, peace and joy in the Spirit) That would be condemnation, and the scripture says that “there is therefore no more condemnation to those who are in Christ”. So to condemn would mean that I am not in Christ. This is a truly liberating thought but changes the way I have looked at alot of things in the Torah. now I have to re-read… thanks Jacob!! LOL

  16. Tracy says:

    Hello. The below is my story. It is a real story. My name is Tracy S. Thompson. I would like for everyone who reads the below to take it to heart. And if you doubt what you read, then please go to Jesus Christ Himself in a three, 3, day Fast and Prayer and seek Him for revelation.

    Hello. WHY IS IT THAT SO MANY CHURCHES DO NOT SPEAK OUT/PREACH AGAINST SIN?! I have been Reprobated by Godhead. Reprobation is real. The reprobation that I speak of is that which is found in Romans chapter 1 and that which can be seen in King Saul (1st Samuel). I am 30 years of age. I was never molested as a child, I was never raped as a teen; I was never sexually violated. But, because of physical looks (for I had always been severely overweight with bad acne and slightly crooked teeth) I could not attract boys so at the age of 16 I made up in my own mind that I would start liking girls. I had never had an attraction to the same-sex. But, even in doing this He (still did not allow me to have a girlfriend for they I sought, but never had). I never had a boyfriend as He had kept sex, relationships from me. I didn’t know it then, until close to the end of my life (for reprobation is the ending of one’s life). A Reprobate IS NOT a homosexual – which is what Satan has deceived the masses into believing. No! A true Reprobate in the purest of form is a person (male or female) that was 1.) a Believer (John 3:16/Romans 10:9 and 10) 2.) and they were living as a homosexual (physcially or mentally/for I lusted with the eyes the mind and the heart after women/this was how I had sex) 3.) The person puts down/repent from all sin (sin meaning any thoughts, deeds, actions, desires, plans, ideas, ways of living that is against Godhead) 4.) He blesses them with the Baptismal of Holy Spirit (the person begins to prophecy and speak in tongues) 5.) The person begins to fall back into homsexuality and they continue on til Zebaoth (the name that some come to know Him by/used when He is showing his wrath or bringing judgement) removes Holy Spirit from that person’s spirit man and body and then sends an evil spirit into the person. And the body part that the person is using to sin with is the area that He allows the demon to enter into the person. Yes, Godhead is about love; He does love. But, He is also upright; He is about being Holy. Holy means pure, without sin. The Holy scriptures actually says that we are to ‘be perfect in the Lord your God for He is perfect’ and ‘If you love Me, obey My commandments’. Being perfect literally means striving for perfection/that which Paul talks about greatly in his books. Perfection (in Jesus Christ) literally means a Believer aligning one’s life up (EVERYDAY) with Exodus chapter 20 verses 1 through 17 and Matthew chapter 22 verses 36 through 40 and taking heed to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11/Galations 5:19-21 and all laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Note: I grew up in church (stopped attending around the age of 12 1/2, because my grandmother could no longer take me) and several times during my life I read Romans chapter 1, and though I believed (and knew) that it means exactly what it says I did not know what Reprobation really means and what it really looks like. Now I know. Now I do know. He had created me as a Covenant Wife (meaning He had me set aside to marry a male saint in Heaven during the Wedding of the Lamb) and destined me (to be one of the many) to fulfill Acts chapter 2 verses 17 through 18. Florence Hernandez Funtilon is a Covenant Wife (though she was created as a Wise Virgin – she was given the Spirit of Faith and was given physical beauty)/Kathryn ‘Kat’ age 26 (of Pensacola, FL) was created as a Covenant Wife (though as a Foolish Virgin); in a vision He told me that with her it was her strong jaw bone. He told me that ALL the Foolish Virgins have been visited. With me it was by Gabriel and David. I never knew about Diabolic Possession. I had always heard of Demon Possession, but not Diabolic Possession. The man in the tombs – that was Demon Possession; King Saul – that was Diabolic Possession. Reprobated means: denied by God, removed from God. There are a number a things He does when He Reprobates a person: He removes Holy Spirit from the person’s spirit man and body, He removes Holy Spirit from the persons mind (which is apart of the soul: the soul is the mind, will, emotions, and thoughts), He removes all Angels of the Lord from the person, He sterilizes the person’s reproductive organs (if it is a woman then it is her eggs/if it is a man then it is his sperm), He allows Satan to mate with the person’s mind (with me it was done by allowing me to go into deep thought) where Satan will be in the person’s subconscience, He severs the person’s conscience, He then severs His own conscience from that person’s existence, and then He places a mark upon the person’s forehead which marks them for death/Hell. The above is not what I read somewhere, but what I have experienced. A modern day example of Diabolic Possession is that which can be found in a man on experienceproject.com who goes by repro1.

    • Jacob Israel says:

      Tracy, I can seen you are very passionate about what you believe and what you believe your experience to be. But I will say, what people believe and what is true are two different things. A devil or demon is a LIE, people become possesed by things they believe are true but are not, and that can get them to do things they should not. But there are no spooky monsters that possess people, people are possessed by ideas. In any event, bless you and yours and I sure hope you have peace. Jacob

  17. twdimetros says:

    I do understand the revelation of chapter 1in Romans, but first of all to take a stand against an action is not saying that you don’t love the person nor is it judging. ALL OF US –YOU AND I –all have things to align in our lives with the inborn Grace that we have been given. And no there is no Hell that we have to be afraid we will be sent to simply because of
    what was done on the Cross. What I am simply saying is that we don’t frustrate the
    grace given to us to transform our minds according to Romans 12:1&2. The grace of God is within us to make an exchange for the darkness for the Truth. We as the people of the kingdom cannot compromise what Spirit is doing in the Earth –bringing an ALIGNMENT to his people in all areas and walks of life. You say same sex relations bring no harm to anyone, but whar about humanity as a whole. If EVEYONE on earth decided to be in same sex relationships –including youself and your wife– then how would we procreate?Now those who choose not to align to Kingdom Principles God still loves them but like any of us who refuse to reform our thinking we are not part of that authority in the earth. God set the pattern for Mankind in the garden ALLEGORY or not ….Adam and Eve …man and woman..and yes a deeper revelation is SOUL AND SPIRIT. ..I GET THAT BUT BROTHER LET’S NOT COMPROMISE TRUTH TO APPEASE A PEOPLE WHO HAVE DECIDED TO GO with their own ideas. We are to PROVE the will of God in our own lives so I challenge everyone including myself who has any thought about anything concerning this issue to look at your own life and see if what we are doing is truly bring us peace and not because we got a mass of people we can hide among and drown out our own consciences amidst the noise of protest. I love you

    • Jacob Israel says:

      Dimetros, My friend thank you for your email… I understand why you want to express your reasons for not accepting homosexuals as you would accept yourself… That does not mean I agree with your reasoning. I see people are they are meant to be seen. How in the world would anyone know true love if they didn’t have to love something different. Peace my friend, Jacob

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