Note to reader: You HAVE to read this, there is something in this paper that will blow your mind away. So don’t give up, stick with it, I promise you will be amazed at what God reveals to you.
LAND OF MILK AND HONEY
It is the land of promise, the Land Flowing with Milk and Honey. Mmmmnnn sounds yummy doesn’t it?
Now if this were to be literal, I would prefer a land flowing with cookie dough ice cream, hot fudge, peanut butter and jelly waffles and a tall glass of cold skim milk… But by now, I’m sure you’re aware, this “Land Flowing With Milk and Honey” is an allegory.
Some will say, the “Milk and Honey”, represents abundance. Well… THEY ARE WRONG! HA HA! Take that you, wrong believing person you! 🙂
Look, the problem is, these people consider this abundance to be “temporal abundance” like food, clothing, riches, a roof over their heads. Now trust me, God knows what we need physically, and God provides, unless we somehow are reaping what we have sown and for the time being need to learn a lesson or two.
But God always cares for us, and believe me, God is in control of ALL THINGS. And ALL things work together for our good. But let’s get back to the Promise Land.
Exodus 3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.
This was the promise God gave to his people Israel when they were in the bondage of Pharaoh and the Egyptians. If you read my article on “The Plagues of Egypt” you would understand the allegory of Egypt, Pharaoh, and the Plagues. But for those who haven’t read it, I will simply translate what the word Pharaoh means, “Their Nakedness/shame.”
You see, Israel, LIKE US, were/are slaves to their Nakedness, to their flesh, to their shame and carnal nature. They were in the chains of ignorance, as are many in the world today. And yes, I am in some of those chains myself. For I know in part for now. You see, it is our shame, created by our DEATH (Carnal ignorance) that becomes our taskmaster. We condemn ourselves, we hate ourselves, some even kill themselves. It is because PHAROAH (their nakedness/shame/ignorance and fear) is ruling the roost.
Ezekiel 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
This is what we need to be saved from “Church”. We do NOT need to be saved from some infinite torture down the road. Which of course, is a bunch of nonsense created by Meat-heads who were out to make a buck at the expense of the ignorant peasants around them. Unfortunately, many still believe in this “controlling fear tactic” today. And we wonder why there is so much hate and pain in the world?
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge.
Now I’m going for SHOCK FACTOR right now, so buckle up!
Most who believe that they are SAVED right now. They believe this because they said a few words, did an altar call, got dunked in some water and started to work for their Religious Temples, Churches, etc… Well guess what, THEY AREN’T SAVED! They are so far from being saved it is ridiculous.
Ridiculous, because it is their very belief that they are SAVED by their man-made rules, traditions, and hogwash that they don’t SEEK AND FIND the PROMISE OF GOD, which is TRUE SALVATION.
They ask Christ INTO their heart. As if Christ exists outside of them. Never once realizing the Hope of Glory which is CHRIST WITHIN!
Not only that but most do not even know what it they are saved from. Because religion has poured so much pride, fear, and guilt into them. Mainly Religion uses FEAR, not only of FUTURE DAMNATION, but of excommunication, expulsion, etc… many churches, temples, mosques will kick you out if you don’t get in line and do as the Religious Leaders say.
The Religious, Atheist, and Carnal don’t realize they are already condemned to begin with. That is the irony. It is their false salvation belief that is keeping them in the chains of HELL. Not the Hell they are so scared of. You see, Hell is NOT a place where a GOD OF LOVE sends people to be tortured endlessly, HELL is where those “Who don’t believe and know God” exist in right now. Even those, who don’t miss one church service and pray every night can be DAMNED, if the know not the truth (Christ in them).
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
And we are all guilty of this. No man is born without SIN. Our physical parents brought us DEATH, our SPIRITUAL parents God and Christ/Wisdom, gives us LIFE!
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
This is the good news. Especially for those hearing the WORD OF TRUTH in this day. And I don’t mean WEDSNDAY, I mean the DAY OF THE LORD.
And yes “The Day of the Lord” is a scary one. But NOT the way many have taught it. The Jews believed their Messiah would come and give them a great kingdom and then utterly destroy and torture their enemies… They rejected Jesus, because he came and said, “Love your Enemies, Forgive them, Pray for them” – Now here is wisdom, the Jews were wrong for thinking that the Messiah would come and DESTROY THEIR ENEMIES… Well don’t most Christians believe this is how the Messiah will come again? Some preachers go so far as to say Jesus is a blood thirsty murderer, that the blood of the “Christians” enemies will reach the Horses Neck (of course this too is allegory) but don’t tell the Carnal Religious this. They want their God to murder and torture their enemies, because their heart is filled with such. They are not saved!
Now look the DAY OF THE LORD, is not some future event where the moon literally turns to blood, stars literally fall from the sky, etc…
Now before I get into this next part, I want to give my usual disclaimer, I am simply a man who wants to know the Truth of God. I am not a Pastor, Prophet, Rabbi, Evangelist, Priest, etc. who will say, “what I am teaching is word!” I believe all of these words to be true but you must always seek God and Christ Within if anything I write troubles you. Especially this next part.
Read Acts 2, you will see Peter says…
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh…. 19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
We see here CLEARLY, that the SUN and MOON are allegories. Peter is explaining to the crowds that when the HOLY SPIRIT came upon those men and women in the Upper Room, (When God’s truth was understood and revealed)… Peter said, it was the day Joel spoke of, that SCARRRRRRY DAY of the LORD, he explained, had just happened.
But what REALLY happened? Is it allegorical? You bet your sweet asparagus its allegorical.
So let’s look at that Parable for a moment shall we?
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
They all came together in the UPPER ROOM (Higher consciousness). They were seeking MORE. And the TRUTH came (revealed) to them. The TRUTH was REVEALED as a RUSHING MIGHTY WIND…
And no! It wasn’t A LITERAL WIND. “Church” Wind is an allegory for DOCTRINE, TEACHING, INSTRUCTION.
Ephesians 4:14 : That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
They were being TAUGHT by GOD, and then they were given CLOVEN (Separated) tongues.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Now unless your into sci-fiction, I hope you DON’T believe their tongues were literally split down the middle and caught on fire. I’ll write it again, This is ALLEGORY “CHURCH”!
A separated (cloven) tongue is a LANGUAGE and UNDERSTANDING that is separate from the WORLD (Carnal understanding). And these words of TRUTH that they know spoke PURIFY (FIRE) those they speak to.
And NO! They didn’t begin speaking different languages so those in foreign countries could understand them, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS A MYSTERY, Jesus ONLY spoke in Parable, it is the SPIRIT that reveals the TRUTH… They were NOT speaking foreign languages at the same time, they began speaking their NATIVE TONGUE (which is TRUTH)
First of all, if everyone was speaking at the same time in literal different languages, no one would understand anything. That really is beside the point. However, there is a great treasure hidden away, in the meaning of these “places” that heard their “native tongue” – Which again is GOD’S WORD (TRUTH).
So when you hear those stories of people all of sudden speaking perfect German or Hebrew, etc… it may not be true.
God opens the minds and hearts of those in every city in every country, so there will always be someone to speak the TRUTH, in a literal native tongue, so there is no need to give someone the “magic” power of speaking a language they don’t know.
But I also want to point out something about Tongues. As I used to “speak in tongues” as well back in the day, when I was taught that was “evidence” of the Holy Spirit. Even though, now I know, evidence of the HOLY SPIRIT is the remembrance of TRUTH (God’s word) and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is speaking what appears to be gibberish. Putting that aside, let’s remember what “Tongues” are for…
1 Corinthians 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not
Tongues are a SIGN. And we learned in my Jonah article, there is NO SIGN given, but Jonah’s. (which is coming out of our carnal thinking and knowing the TRUTH/CHRIST) – This is the SIGN to unbelievers, SPEAKING THE TRUTH.
Now here is the problem, many won’t be able to understand the TRUTH, unless it is broken down for them (interpreted) that is why if you speak the wonderful WORKS of God, you must interpret it for those who are hearing it. Otherwise it will make no sense to them.
The last thing I want to put out about Tongues, is they are ONLY mentioned in 1 Corinthians, nowhere else in scripture (that I’m aware of) was this talk about speaking a literal language you don’t know. Now, I do know that “Tongues” will cease, so perhaps this understand of literally speaking in other languages has ceased for me, and I no longer believe it to be what I used to believe it to be, however. I believe the NATIVE TONGUE that each man heard, was the WORD OF GOD.
But let’s look DEEPER at how God gives us our NATIVE TONGUE (The WORDS OF THE KINGDOM). By looking at the meaning of each of those places that HEARD the wonderful works of God.
Acts 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians,
This is going to blow your mind! Here are the STRONGS definitions of these words.
Parthia = “a pledge”, Mede or Media = “middle land”, Elam = “eternity”, Mesopotamia = “between two rivers”, Judaea = “he shall be praised”, Cappadocia = “province of good horses”, Pontus = “the sea”, Phrygia = “dry, barren”, Phrygia = “dry, barren”, Egypt = “double straits”, Libya = “afflicted or weeping”, Cyrene = “supremacy of the bridle”, Rome = “strength”, Judah = “he shall be praised”, proselytes = “a newcomer”, Crete = “fleshy”, Arabia = “desert or barren”
Those are the meanings of those that HEARD THEIR NATIVE TONGUE (truth) Now let me put this all together for you and it will give you chills. Mind you I am doing this in the exact order as it is written. You will see this is another hidden treasure showing us God will bring us into the Land of Promise.
“A Pledge (Promise) was made in the middle land of eternity between two rivers (Truth and lies). In the Province of Good Horses (Saints) God shall be praised. In the Seas (carnal mankind), in the dry and barren, in the double straits, those that are afflicted and weeping shall know the supremacy of God’s bridle and Strength. GOD shall be praised by the newcomers to the faith, by the fleshy and the barren.”
Now, I dare you to tell me that is NOT a wonderful coincidence. Then I dare you to tell me that there actually is such a thing as COINCIDENCE!
So now, what was that PLEDGE, or PROMISE, that God made to those dwelling in between heaven and earth, between lies and truth?
The PROMISE is the PROMISE LAND! A Land Flowing with spaghetti and meatballs! I mean, Milk and Honey!
Before I close, showing you exactly what the MILK AND HONEY represent and are. Which has NOTHING to do with temporal abundance, but spiritual abundance… I want to point out that when the TRUTH OF CHRIST hits you, it knocks your socks off, and it gives you a new mind, new words (tongue), and praise God a NEW LIFE!
Now it is a MIGHTY WIND (TRUTH/TEACHING) and many will run from it and want nothing to do with it. Most carnal men and women don’t want to give up hating, debating, worrying, tearing down, and most importantly, they don’t want to give up CONTROL! They don’t want to KNOW THE SUPREMACY OF GOD’S BRIDLE. They don’t want God to be in control, they want to be god themselves. That is what is happening today is Religion everywhere. Man is teaching Man how to be a god themselves (Read my article on the Tower of Babel for more clarity on this)
Carnal man does not want to believe in a God of Love and forgiveness. Because if they do, that means, they must LOVE AND FORGIVE.
No, carnal man wants to believe in a God that condemns and punishes those that do not agree with Him. Why? You ask… So then THEY TOO can condemn and punish those that don’t agree with them!
Nevertheless, when the TRUTH HITS YOU, it changes everything. Look at what happened to Paul, he was STRIKEN BLIND. When the TRUTH comes (is revealed to us), we realize we know NOTHING ABOUT GOD – get it? We understand how BLIND we really are.
However, most today, do not understand that THEY are the ones that are LOST AND DAMNED (which isn’t what the literalists of the world think that means).
These Lost “Dead Men and Women walking” will actually condemn those with the TRUTH as Paul did, before his conversion. They would rather say, GOD WILL NOT SAVE ALL MAN then take a moment to say, “Lord if this be true please show me?” Most believe God’s arm is slack that is cannot save, even the most lost and ugly. They will say on one hand God finishes his creation in Victory, and then say only a small percent of God’s creation will know Him.
Meanwhile, in the land of HEAVEN and TRUTH, we know “Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess Christ (God’s Truth and Spirit) as Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER!
And what GLORIFIES GOD people? Read on.
Luke 18:43 And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God.
So for those who say, God is glorified when the Ignorant of the world are sent off to an eternity of torture, the bible says, GOD is GLORIFIED when those that did not SEE (know Him) received their sight (understanding/wisdom) – This is how God is glorified, when the BLIND (Ignorant) SEE (Have the revelation of CHRIST IN THEM)
That is the GOOD NEWS, that GOD will deliver ALL from the Bondage of PHAROAH and the EGYPTIANS… God will deliver us ALL and SAVE us ALL from the Hell of our IGNORANCE, PRIDE, and Carnal EGO.
And there is but ONE way to that Salvation and that is CHRIST, which is the TRUTH of God. WHICH IS IN YOU! Not coming in the CLOUDS outside of you.
The CLOUDS are the WITNESSES of TRUTH.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of WITNESSES.
This is how Christ comes (Revealed) – The TRUTH sets us FREE from WITHIN.
In the Gospel of Thomas there is a great line that Jesus says, “If you bring forth that which is within you it will save you. If you do not bring forth that which is within you it will destroy you!”
But Salvation is more than just believing IN CHRIST, to be saved you MUST BE IN CHRIST, and CHRIST IN YOU!
Ponder those last words. For, if you are in something, and something is in you, who are you?
When you find this out… THEN YOU ARE SAVED!
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Pay attention to that last line. THE TRUTH SETS US FREE. Not a believing in a literal man, but believing in the WORD OF GOD that is revealed in a literal Man. You will not be saved by religion, tradition, tithing, or anything man-made or created by man.
Okay, so after writing six pages this morning I will finally get to the point of this essay. Call me “Captain Segway”!
Salvation is of and from God, it is by HIS GRACE and our Faith in Christ that we are SAVED… And to get there, we have to inherit the promise land.
Exodus 3:8
And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey
So what is this land that God delivers us for and brings us to? Is it a literal place? Is it a good job, new car, nice home? Or is it something better even than that? To understand this further we must look at what scripture tells us the LAND, MILK, and HONEY actually is.
Let’s first look at Honey:
1 Samuel 14:27
But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened.
(The taste of this honey, gave Jonathan revelation… but revelation of what?)
1 Samuel 14:43
Then Saul said to Jonathan, Tell me what thou hast done. And Jonathan told him, and said, I did but taste a little honey with the end of the rod that was in mine hand, and, lo, I must die.
(It is the Revelation that he must DIE. We must DIE to our CARNAL EGO)
PROVERBS 24: 13 My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste: 14So shall the knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul: when thou hast found it, then there shall be a reward, and thy expectation shall not be cut off.
It should be pretty clear, that “Honey” is the Knowledge of Gods Wisdom.
Isaiah 7:15
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Eating (assimilating = Becoming one with) this “Honey” (God’s wisdom) helps us to know how to refuse EVIL (lies) and Choose Good which is Truth.
AND NOW FOR THE MILK!
Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
You see to get to the “Honey” (Understanding we must die to ourselves and become one with God’s truth) we must be weaned from MILK. So, it stands to reason, “MILK” is something we start off with before coming to complete HONEY (Enlightenment)
1 Corinthians 3 1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
You see here, MILK is fundamental teaching, so rudimentary that the carnal can glean from it. (Look at all those big words I just used LOL)
MILK is the rudiments of understanding. Milk is for BABES in Christ. Newcomers to the Faith.
1 Peter 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
So Israel wasn’t entering a LITERAL LAND of ABUNDANCE at all. This PROMISE LAND is our PROMISE LAND as well. And God will bring us into it.
The LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY. God will teach us as babes, lead us into maturity, and gives us the greatest of all gifts, the ENLIGHTENMENT of CHRIST!
Hope you enjoyed this one! Leave a comment for a brother will ya?
Jacob
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Must be honest, sometimes I get confused a little by your articles.
The land of milk and honey is the Pineal gland, ripping of the temple vale, 144 000, everything is made of light etc….. I am not sure if you were getting at that?
God be Glorified. I was studying the Word and the Holy Spirit led me to google the meaning of Milk and Honey ko z i didnt understand.. then HE led me to this article…. I CLICKED MY WAY TO LIGHT!!.. This article challenged my soul.. i literally felt my fleh cringing koz of the LIGHT in this artice.. every word…every single word.
I feel sooo scared in a good way as i was reading this article.. shows the mystery of God CAN NOT be grasped or understood by simple human mind. I literally kept pleading the Holy Spirit continually to give me Wisdom as i was reading this koz my flesh was seriously trying to resist…
I pray THE LORD fills you with intense heavenly wisdom for been such an obedient vessel used by the Holy Spirit to write this ARTICLE… Please pray for ME to keep growing in the knowledge of Christ… i NEED more intense passion from within… i need more hunger from HIM for HIS word… I NEED more OF JESUS.. I NEED more of the Holy SPirit…
AMEN in JESUS NAME
Amazing freaking amazing
Confirmation at it’s best
So glad you liked it!
Jacob, I grew up in classical Pentecost. I pastor a congregation in the Kansas City, Missouri area. I have embraced the truth that when Jesus died on the cross he reconciled the entire human race. I have been labeled a heretic. However it has changed our life. We now love everybody in spite of their behavior. We don’t embrace the behavior bye we love the person. I loved your article on the Land of milk and Honey. We sing a song in our worship service that I think you would enjoy:
I’ve got hold of what got hold of me
When he speaks it makes my baby leap
When the truth becomes a person
And the promise land is not a place
Then you know you’ve apprehended
He who apprehended you
Mike, that is truly awesome… I know it is hard when you begin to understand that God has a plan and that plan is love … However, when you do understand this it is the best news around… Because no one can fail. That means regardless of what anyone is going through or where they are it is all working together for the good of those that love the Lord … And eventually scripture states all will 🙂 hope you have subscribed and I look forward to hearing more from you. Be well
milk and honey is Gemini and Cancer. http://mathisencorollary.blogspot.com/2014/06/a-land-flowing-with-milk-and-honey.html?m=1
My God!!*BLOW OUT OF EARTH* wow wow wow wow wow wow!!my Jesus..my brother i Like could sense The LIGHT of the LORD gettn strnger,brighter and almst SWEEPING off.Thank you brother indeed u r REAVELING the SECRETS of the KINGDON of our God..i felt like i cud read such essay’s evy SECOND of my life like 4real ey.WOW i wnt the same thng and evn mre.
I am so happy that you enjoyed the essay. There are many others here to choose from. I hope they all bless you. Please do subscribe and share this site with others if you believe it will help them. Peace to you and yours, Jacob
fr. pat heloo again, i re read your article above, this is my first contact with your page/blog/ideas/etc., i realize i just scimmed and missed a lot with the first reading i did. ,…
the second reading brings what you are saying more cleary into focus,…,..
i really love most of what you said,…maybe 70 percent or 80, but disagreed with some things,…
i love that you are allowing yourself to think freely, and let your mind ‘out of the box’ so to speak,…i love your mind, and your thinking,….i lov e you,…(not a marriage proposal, unless you might be single, -joking)
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i am wondering if it is your real picture above, really you, or are you using jacobisrael and the picture as psudonyms and psudopics for those that misunderstand and might give you trouble? just wondering,….
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I too have been eating ‘honey’, and b een growing b y it, i asked the questions because you sound similar to someone whose thought i read, and who was at same place as I am, it seemed, with revelation /understanding, his name is Chris fr uk…EAGLE MOUNTAIN PROPHECY (ELIJAH IS HERE) (meaning Christ in us| Prophecy And …www.forerunnertv.com/more/teachings/25Cached, you sound similar to him, but he agrees with me on the literal truth of the scripture, inerrant holiness, on the first level of understanding, and you would seem not to agree with that, ie, no real tongues? no real wind, etc. i believe the scritpure is inerrant, on every level, you
and this is VERY IMPORTANT HERE you seem to throw out the first level , the literal level as errant, and only a stepping stone to the other levels, / truer meaning, however, i believe that all levels are inerrant, which is what the book says about itself and science and history have proved it to be correct,…, in many ways,…
so, jacob/israel , your mind is brilliant, it is enlightened, and glowing, honey is flowing out of your head,….
however, there is some clay mixed in i think, meaning some error,
Christ in you, the hope of Glory, the Mind of Christ, eternal wonders! yes, ..
….please consider,
…………and think on this, the scripture can and is inerrant, on every level of understanding, simply because it is God’s book, inspired for us, and He can easily make it that way….why do you throw out the first several levels?,..
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……yes you are a Rabbi,/teacher/preacher/about spiritual things,….people are listening, and you have a following, people read what you write,…
,…………don’t remove or change one thing from the scripture,…
I would like to talk with you further, because I am hungry for every drop of honey you may have, however, i believe i am true in saying you have some ‘bones’ or ‘clay’ mixed in with the revelation, so you need more honey to be able to see further,……and more,….i think you are mistaken, and may lead others into the same error, on some of what you say,…
Good afternoon, dear brothers … at this time we shall all be taught of God .. I think every thing we share is for building and if the Spirit dwells in us, because we need not fear to be deceived, always helps us to discern what the spiritual nature … Thanks for being all we needed in this beautiful awakening in Christ … special thanks to Jacob
fr pat, thank you for your reply, I do not know all that you believe and say, and print for others, so I cannot with confidence bless you, (as yet) but I do love you, so love to you and yours,…..May we all search for and find and know the truth and be made free by it,….
from pat, it appears that you need to be ….’pickled’….grin
Hi Pat, thank you for taking the time to comment, and a lot of comments at that, which means you really put some time into this. I understand that some of the things I write, if not all of them :), can come across as foreign to people that have learned things a different way. Instead of telling people they are wrong, I simply try and share in these articles what I know them to be… It is then up to people to pray and seek the truth themselves to see if what I wrote stands up to what they find. I will say that I have studied the scriptures for the better part of my life and continue to study, not because I believe I have too but because I am passionate about it. It’s easy for people to say others are incorrect, when others share something different, but that doesn’t make it incorrect, it just means I have shared something that you don’t believe. And that is okay, I will say that out of everything you wrote about there is one thing I encourage you to really research, and that is the origin of eternal torment. I have an article on here where all the work is done for you called “the hell with hell”, but you don’t need that. The History of this teaching is easily found with the internet, and biblegateway.com makes it easy to read every scripture with the word in it, and studylight.org makes it easy to translate the words from the original language. In any event thank you again for the time you put into your comments and I hope that we can still appreciate and love and encourage each other even if we believe differently. Peace to you and yours, Jacob
from pat – – – because you are seeing the revelation of the scripture, does not negate or wipe out its more surface levels of meaning, because you understand ‘wind’ meaning ‘doctrine’ does not negate that an actual sound of a wind came and the house actually shook, and that real looking flames of fire appeared that looked like a shape of a tongue and that real people spoke in languages that had not learned and did not know, and no it wasn’t jusst for those from all over in jerusalem at that time, who heard them,…
….this is where you are going wrong,…
….Jesus showed the Father in how he interacted,…and Jesus was loving, however, you can still believe in a real and literal hell because the bible says there is one, and no, a loving God wouldnt throw people in there, people will choose this by themselves, and God will have no choice and it will rip His heart right out,…because they choose that…God knows the end before the beginning, therefore he created some people knowing where they would end up,…this is the meaning of the scriptures that say that some are ‘vessels prepared for destruction’
….this would rip the heart out of any father,…we know that ‘it is NOT God’s will for any to perish’ yet they have and will….
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you may be trying to discern revelation without being baptised in the Holy Spirit – baptizo means baptised, and it means to pickle…smile
from pat when i spoke of john baptist eating honey i shouod have qualified it first to explain that yes he ate real physical honey but the deeper meaning behind it is that he ate the enlightenment of God’s Word=honey too, which is understood by those that understand the symbols in the bible, honey=revelation from the Lord, deeper meanings under the surface of the text,….ie. the numbers and their meanings, in the bible 12 meaning divine government, perfected, full, etc. 3 meaning the Godhead, 7, 5 meaning grace, etc. and all the other meanings ie. the first being less than the second, in
adam 1 and adam 2(jesus) the first twin being less approved than the second, etc. old testament, the second is always better,…
here is a little more revelation, i do not know your writing so dont know if you are aware of this or not, but the deeper levels of meaning in the scripture are called pardes, which means orchard paradise or eden. smile
cont’d from pat,….don’t be upset with me, for what
i am writing to you, what you write is exciting, because part of it is revelation,
i believe the Holy Spirit is giving you revelation, but it is mixed- mostly because you did not study to show yourself approved, (forgive the mispellings/letters ets. this is a laptop, im typing on my tummy) you are definitely getting some,- honey=revelation, but it is mixed with some carnal understanding,…
….i will explain, that the scriptures have diff. levels of understanding, …there is the factual record level, -this is not an ordinary book, it is Creator-breathed,…so it is supernatural, there is the record level, there is a deeper level, and several other deeper levels, ….your writing tried to change the factual record parts to explain deeper meaning – which is an insult to the LORD almighty and may land you in the hot water of getting your name erased, from another book, see revelations,….it is VERY serious, so don’t take this lightly….
….about the revelation you are receiving,…it is insight, and it is a type of ‘seeing’ that comes by the Holy Spirit revealing things, sometimes it may just be one or two words that you gain insight on, but you MUST NOT change or alter anything in the written record to suit what you want to say, ie. alter the record of the coming of the Holy
spirit on the 120 gathered,…this is factual on the surface, and the bible is completely reliable in its factual records of things, which has been proven down thr08gh centuries, ie. used to find cities, etc. and science has changed many times in its opinions to come back to agreeing with what the scriptures say and present,…
….John baptist ate ‘honey’ which is revelation from the Lord, he lived on it,…Jonathan David’s friend found honey strengthened his eyes,…(eyesight = spiritual seeing) land flowing with milk and honey describes physical as well as spiritual things,…those that teach prosperity do it based on the scriptures, and they are truths, what they teach is not made up man made and what they are accused of, the ‘prosperity gospel’ which is false speaking about it and them, there is only one true gospel and it is full of prosperity, that is physical material prosperity for the believer,…i have studied this, …and it also includes prosperity in all the diff. parts of life, spiritual especially,…anyway,…
Paul was given revelation, however, he said he could not preach or teach it sometimes, because the people were living carnally, and not walking in the Holy
spirit, so it was useless for him to give it as they could not receive it,.a nd it would fall dead without producing life in the hearers,…he was attacked by the spiritual opposition for this, -paul;s famous thorn, messenger of satan sent to keep him from getting elevated beyond measure, elevated? this has been thought to mean pride, but why would a messenger of satan keep paul from pride? it would want to encourage paul to be prideful, not keep him from it, – the hebrew meaning of the word interpreted as ‘elevate’ in that text means lifted up and has two meanings, one is lifted up as lifted up into revelation beyond measure, the other preached meaning is lifted up as in pride,…i think the revelation meaning is the accurate one,…
the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is real, speaking in other languages is real, as you are given ab ility by the HOLY
SPIRIT, IT has been recorded what people say and others knowing that language have heard it and know what the person is saying,…etc…it is not fake and never did stop or cease, as nowhere in the bible does it say it ceased, you should ask God for this and seek Him to receive it,…it will improve your understanding of scripture right away,…
from Pat….continuing,…I realize you are receiving some revelation,….but you have drifted off scripture with some of it and are getting into error, I think…., it is dangerous, for you, and those following you, so consider carefully what you post,…allowing things to run around in your head and discussing them with yourself is one thing, taking a following of people with you down a wrong road is another thing entirely,….remember that teachers will receive the most critical and in depth and severe judgement,….you are not at liberty to print just anything at all that you may think about,…according to the Lord, if you are in doubt, just ask Him yourself, and if you cannot hear His answer, and do not know what He says to you, this is doubly not ok for you….
hi, just skimmed your article and appreciated your unique viewpoints, but found you incorrect according to scripture re the tongues ceasing, and the meaning of the spiritual enlightening, ie honey,
…tongues of fire,…described the shape of the fire-like visual that appeared above the heads of those that received. This was a literal record of the happening, ie. same with the sound of the Wind, another Wind sound occurred when the LORD came near Moses.(The LORD himself was not in the Wind, -same with chariot of fire and the whirlwind,
elijah did not get into the chariot,…but the whirlwind,..)
You are ‘seeing’ with the ‘honey’ it was for strengthening the eyes and giving you eyes to see the revelation with, but I think you go too far with your interpretation of the coming of the Holy Spirit, since the endowment of the Holy Spirit was for all believers for all time, the baptism of the Holy
spirit after conversion, then the signs of speaking in different languages should continue right along with it, – same with the giving of the 5 fold ministry gifts – many teach in error that these have been withdrawn, however, the text clearly says that they are given for the perfecting of the church intil All come to the fullness and measure of the full stature of Jesus. (this plainly has not yet occurred, so the 5 fold are here with us to stay)
Wow! I’ll be reading this one a few times – explains why I love honey and have avoided the milk given by the church for years! I crave raw honey!
bring the spaghetti and meatballs on. blessed writing jacob.
Man you really grease my gears and get me thinking as Don King says” I LOVE IT!” you know Jacob, it seems very clear to me that if God’s promise were an earthly kingdom then Israel would be heaven on earth but it is exactly the opposite. They are constantly troubled. So forget the heaven on earth concept. Look at the History there, but I suppose that will all be taken care of in the thousand year reign when jesus returns in a physical body or spirtual/physical to kill the and punish everyone except the jews. That doesn’t seem to be consistent with the nature that christ exhibited. I’ll tell ya man the whole allegory thing is clearing up alot of confusion that I’ve had about scripture.
I haqve a question:
What does Asia signify??? (the Acts 2:9 thing)
THANKS!!!!!!!
Hi Jacob
Hope you didn’t think I was disagreeing with you.
What I am saying is that the emphasis we have been taught was put upon speaking in a foreign language rather than the (hearing from within) as the Holy Spirit gave understanding to all. They heard the word(truth) within themselves in their own language (understanding).
The truth is as a foreign language to those who do not hear from within.
There is a language that is foreign to the majority
Not at all Cherri! I’ve just gotten an email or two on this, just wanted to put it out there! Hope you’re doing awesome! Peace
Acts 2
5Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6And when this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speaking in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying, Behold, are not all these that speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?
Every man heard in his own language.
When the Holy Spirit speaks to me I always hear in English because that is the language I understand. He doesn’t speak French to me because I don’t understand French. The messenger could be Greek speaking the Language of Greece but the interpreter (Holy Spirit) who talks to my spirit speaks English to me.
When I am in the presence of a speaker even when he is speaking English I am listening for the voice of the Holy Spirit within me to interpret the word. I do not hear the man I hear the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit knows all languages and can speak whatever language each individual understands.
Blessing to you Jacob
Cherri,
I added a bit more under that segment. I didn’t give my usual disclaimer. You know I always say, I am just a man, God to God for the answers. But I will answer your comment, the question becomes “Where are we BORN?” In Christ. Not in NY or Texas, we are dead in the temporal, but Born in the spiritual. Also remember Tongues are a SIGN for the unbeliever, and Jesus said NO SIGN shall be given but Jonah’s… And that sign was coming out of carnality and into truth… In otherwords, speaking a different literal language isn’t Jonah’s sign… but speaking the TRUTH OF GOD is Jonah’s sign. God doesn’t need any magical acts to bring people to the knowledge of the truth it is always a HEART WORK, he speak and reveals inside. Sometimes the revelation we get and speak, needs to be broken down for others to understand what we are saying (Interpreted) — Cherri, I used to speak in literal tongues too, but I began to see that this was just another thing Religion had taught me was a “sign of the Holy Spirit” – in point of fact, the HOLY SPIRIT brings to remembrance the WORD of God, (The TRUTH) being baptized into GOD’S TRUTH really has nothing to do with speaking “Dutch” … But please understand, like everything I write I could be wrong and I only write what I believe to be true and pray people go to God for what is true or not. Hope you’re well, peace
Jacob, I am so glad that someone is saying, IT IS ALL GOD!!!! Very good Truth. Thank you, Linda
I enjoyed your article and your rephrasing of the names of those who listened to them. I remember someone saying that they were not speaking in foreign languages when they spoke in tongues, but in a babbling that was understood as truthful. Perhaps beyond language. I can’t recall where I heard that unfortunately. Best wishes.
G-D BLESS YOU! I PRAY THE LORD CONTINUE TO ENLARGE YOU AND SURROUND YOU WITH WISDOM! PURSUE THE FEAR OF THE LORD….IT LEADS INTO DEPTHS OF THE INFINITE WISDOM OF THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT….THE WORD OF TRUTH AND THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH….THEY ARE GUIDING YOU INTO THAT REALM OF POSSIBLITIES! JESUS LOVES YOU!!! THANKS BE TO THE G-D WHO IS WORTHY OF ALL OUR PRAISE AND ADORATION 4 EVER.THANKS!
Really, really appreciate the article. Love the part about the names of the ones who heard them speaking in tongues. Thanks, thanks and more thanks.
Enjoyed the article! Have one comment/question!
We know tongues were for a season… Maybe I misunderstood but it seemed you were saying the “tongues” we know of in our Pentecostal experience wasn’t legitimate. You know what I’m talking about… How can it be for a season if it is as you described? Tongues will cease!