My Reply to why ALL MANKIND is SAVED!


WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE?

This below comment, I posted on a friends facebook page and then my own. I didn’t think there was anything so terribly out of the ordinary or special about the comment, but it has really sparked a great conversation, and I was so surprised to see how many people were interested in hearing more, after reading this simple commentary on Facebook… I hope you enjoy it! Peace Jacob

My Reply as to what I believe! All mankind Saved.

A wonderful lady on here that I am friends with, always has something wonderful to say… Now we do believe differently, but unlike many others, she has recieved me for who I am and what I believe (I think she has at least, I know she would if she didn’t know) In any event… she posted something wonderful… I am going to share that. And then repost my comment, without mentioning her name out of my great respect for her, and because she has the best smile I have ever seen ๐Ÿ™‚

Here is her post:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. You need to believe it to receive it. What do the universalists do with that?

HERE IS MY REPLY

Hey (You) first I want to say I am NOT A UNIVERSALIST… A universalist believes all roads lead to God… I believe ALL ROADS LEAD TO CHRIST, WHO leads us to the father. Because there is only ONE WAY TO KNOW THE FATHER, AND THAT IS BY HIS CHILD…

So, not a Universalist here, but I do believe God finishes his creation in victory “he saw all that he made and said it was good” –

I personally believe God is not a failure, and that his arm is not slack that it cannot save, and for those who understand that Nothing can thwart God’s will, “neither him that runneth or willeth but God”, and for those that understand that it is GOD’S WILL that ALL BE SAVED and come to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth and the stature of the perfect man…

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth…

I don’t believe you can know the father without knowing who YOU ARE in the SON. But I do believe that ALL will CONFESS CHRIST and SUBMIT to Christ In Them, as it is written…

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
— Now look at that next line, TO THE GLORY OF GOD – Lots will say, then it is too late. But no man knows the hour or time, or God’s ways for they are above ours.

11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

Every – means Every… I believe that out of ALL the father gave the son to save, as Jesus put it, “I lost not one save the SON OF PERDITION” – remember who the Son of Hell is (The antichrist spirit/betrayer with in the heart of the religious, who would rather betray the love of God for money, than think better of God and others)

I believe that ALL of creation will sing praises to God, That GOD BRINGS in ALL — If the firstfruits (christ) be holy than the whole harvest is holy)

Also Romans states ALL THE GENTILES will be grafted in, and than ALL ISRAEL shall be saved. (that’s also pretty much everyone)

To believe that God is inept and cannot accomplish his goal, to make man in his IMAGE (CHRIST) – In CHRIST we ALL (EVERYONE) live breathe and have our existence, is to state God is not God.

To say God gave man free will, which I challenge anyone to show me what choice Moses, Joseph, Pharoah, Jonah, Jesus etc had… but let’s say Man has free will, meaning a WILL OUTSIDE OF GODS…

Even though Jesus said, “I can do NOTHING OF MYSELF”

But even if God leaves it up to mankind. What does a Good parent do for their children, correct them, teach them, or give up on them?

We don’t know how long life is, what happens after we die, we only have speculation, God is not mocked whatever a man sows he shall reap… Who is to say that God doesn’t have this very principle in place (If he wants us to “choose” him) – Even though Jesus said “You didn’t choose me, I chose you” and also IT IS WRITTEN “No ONE can come to the SON unless the FATHER DRAWS HIM“… But lets say God is not Soveriegn, that it is NOT ABOUT FAITH but about our WORKS (WHAT WE SAY AND DO) — Don’t you think OUR GOD is big enough to correct us justly, teach us correctly, and not be a HYPOCRITE.

If God says there should NEVER be an end to OUR FORGIVENESS, and that we SHOULD LOVE OUR ENEMIES… Why wouldn’t GOD who is perfect (who knows how to treat his children better than us) LOVE HIS?

Love the world SO MUCH he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whoever BELIEVES and scripture says ALL WILL, and not only that, but submit to Christ to the GLORY OF GOD… Don’t you think it is possible, that a God of Love, could change a persons heart as easily as he Hardens it (Pharoah)

There is so much false teaching, there are so many lies we have been sold over the years, I trust a God of Love, one that has a plan, one whose mercy endures forever, who’s plans and will MANKING cannot thwart God’s will…

1 Timothy 2:3-4 …God our Savior; Who will have ALL mankind to be saved…


John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

Christ didn’t come to CODEMN but to save… because it is GOD’S will that ALL WILL BE SAVED! Everyone, it is written, will come to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH and the STATURE OF CHRIST. Everyone!

But I will leave you with this last scripture…

Ephesians
1:9 when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose 10 for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it–the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the WHOLE CREATION to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him

So I agree, that anyone who thinks YOU DON’T HAVE TO BELIEVE won’t recieve, I will HOLD OUT HOPE, that scripture is true and that ALL WILL BELIEVE AND RECIEVE and GOD’S CREATION is finished in victory, and EVERYTHING HE MADE GOOD AND WORTHY OF PRAISE AND THANKSGIVING.

But I am NO UNIVERSALIST…But I do question, why I think HIGHER OF GOD’S PROMISE AND SOVEREIGNTY and LOVE and COMPASSION than a majority of Christians who believe a majoriy of those God created will be LOST, or worse still cast into some place of infinite torture… (Which by the way does not exist) – But why? I question do most people believe our Perfect and Wonderful and Almighty God is a Callous Hateful Vindictive God?

If we would never do this to our children, if we would always love and NEVER give up on our children, Is God more Righteous than us by giving up on his own, who he created, placed in the Garden, created the enemy, made us subject to vanity (romans 8:20), and proclaims YOU CANNOT COME TO THE SON UNLESS you are drawn… I mean why? Why would anyone think God is going to fall short? That everything he made is some cosmic mistake… No, Our God is in control. And that is why I do not think less of anyone who believes differently, who does horribly, or who condemns because they worship a god who condemns…. The truth is, ALL WILL COME TO THE TRUTH this GOD PURPOSED and will bring to pass, and NO ONE CAN LOSE!

But we all will reap what we sow, and this is how God teaches his children to stop touching the hot stove.

You know I love you(awesome persomn whose name I will not name :)), I really wanted to give you a heartfelt response and say I AGREE YOU CANNOT RECIEVE without BELIEVING, but I have faith that ALL WILL BELIEVE, not just because it is clearly written… The only thing destroyed is “hell, devil, anti-christ, false prophet, and every name (which translates directly into NATURE – NOT A LITERAL NAME) but every NATURE that is NOT written in the BOOK OF LIFE (Life has many natures, love, forgiveness, patience, charity, peace, joy, etc. ect) but the NATURES IN MAN that are NOT WRITTEN IN LIFE (CHRIST) will be destroyed… The natures of GREED, HATE, BIAS, CONDEMNATION, etc etc…

And remember GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE (LAKE OF FIRE) – Christ baptises with FIRE…. FIRE is good, we ALL have out part in THIS LAKE OF FIRE, it just doesn’t hurt those that ARE RISEN TO KNOW, GOD IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL!

GREAT TOPIC!!!! I sure hope my answer will not be seen as something negative, but an honest heartfelt answer as to why I believe, GOD WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT KNOW IT (1st Tim 4:10) Jacob ๐Ÿ™‚

— AN ADDITION

There has been a great discussion on my friend’s page. A couple of points were made, and I was asked by my friend to respond. Without posting there comments (as my answers pretty much sum up what they wrote) I wanted to add it here for those interested. Enjoy.

HERE IS MY REPLY:

Wow, what an outpouring, and in such a loving way! It’s rare to see such a thing, that says a lot about you Gaye and the company that is drawn to you… It would be very hard for me to answer everyone, I will say, without posting the address, I do have a blog with over 90 essays, videos extra, that I have (if you friend me, or simply google my name and blog) you’ll find it… I think every single concern is answered in many of those essays… But I will answer a few people briefly…

@(PERSON 1) I in no way minimize God’s judgment, quite the opposite, I made it very clear, we all reap what we sow… I simply say, we don’t reap MORE than we sow, and that in God’s CORRECTION (which hurts indeed) we are brought to the knowledge of Christ. Many Christians preach that life is supposed to be filled with candy, that God doesn’t want anyone sick, doesn’t want bad things to happen… Yet, that undermines the very judgment you speak of. God is in control of all things, and it is through MUCH TRIBULATION we enter the Kingdom. believe me when i say, YOU HAVE TO PICK UP YOUR CROSS it is the only way, many “christians” don’t even understand what this means, and preach against it, tickling people’s ears, filling people with religious pride that They did something good so they are saved, and others are beneath them because they did not… But when you understand that God is in control of everything, and it rains on the just and unjust, and that even as the scripture’s state, “the wicked are God’s sword” – that even bad people in our lives, like Pharoah, or Joseph’s brothers, are there to further us into the Kingdom, then you REST in God. You understand what is happening to you IS HAPPENING FOR YOU, and that is judgment. Judgment means to SEPERATE God from the World, this is the allegory of the sheep and goats, wheat and tares, the TRUTH in us and the LIES in us, the NATURES IN US, is what is being Judged… and JUDGEMENT BEGINS IN US, “the house of the lord” – we are all being judged, and we all, I believe and hope and pray, (because like I said, I am NOT the authority and always leave the possibilty that I could be wrong) but I believe with all my heart, God is capable of doing what he says he wants, and that through ONE MAN’S DEATH (ADAM) – all Mankind died (became ignorant) and HOW MUCH MORE, buy ONE MAN’S SACRAFICE AND LIFE shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE… So I take pretty much everything literally and allegorically.

For this next person, I wanted to share their comment to me, and then my response:

PERSON 2:
I was reading a scripture the other day in Revelation about how God will send the angels to come and some will be thrown into the lake of fire and some not. So it is clear that there will be a separation. I’ll try to find and post it on here…. Matthew 13:47-50 (Amplified Bible) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a [a]dragnet which was cast into the sea and gathered in fish of every sort. When it was full, men dragged it up on the beach, and sat down and sorted out the good fish… into baskets, but the worthless ones they threw away.So it will be at the close and consummation of the age. The angels will go forth and separate the wicked from the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) And cast them [the wicked] into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth

HERE IS MY RESPONSE:

@ (PERSON 2) it’s interesting you use a literal parable to describe something as literal, I’m sorry I didn’t mean to not answer you, I just saw your comment now. – First off, THE SEA is a symbol of THE WAYS OF THE WORLD (Cares of the world) Which… is death. This is why JESUS walked above the sea, and could calm the storm… He said I will make you fishers of men, meaning we will literally fish people out of the death and depths of their ignorance… now the Kingdom of God is WITHIN us, in this parable it is described as a net… and the Kingdom of God is RIGHTEOUS, PEACE AND TRUTH, AND POWER in the Holy Ghost… And this seperate the GOOD (Truth) in US with the Bad (Lies) in US.

Now before the scripture you mentioned, remember Jesus compares the Kingdom to many other things. THE MOST IMPORTANT of which I believe is to a PEARL OF GREAT PRICE (pearl comes out of long suffering) – which — Pay attention to this next line, “when one finds THEY SELL ALL THEY POSSESS to have it” – In other words, when you understand the TRUTH OF GOD (Kingdom of God) you get rid of every false belief you once held… We cannot serve two masters. But let’s look at the scripture you posted.

47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

First of all, GOD TRIES US ALL in the FURNACE OF FIRE… this is how we are set free of our idolatry.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the FURNACE OF AFFLICTION.

(Through this tribulation we LONG SUFFER to find that PEARL (KINGDOM OF GOD which is WITHIN US, not coming with observation)

This is the way GOD CHOSE to seperate us from the lies of the world, and YES when we are afflicted we weep and complain (gnash teeth)

James 4:9
Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

Now the END OF THE WORLD, doesn’t mean the LITERAL WORLD… But the world is THE LUSTS IN MAN…

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

So at the END OF OUR LUSTS, the TRUE MESSAGE (angel=message/messengers (literal translation) – At the END OF OUR LUSTS the TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD will come forth (be revealed) — and guess what, the DAY OF THE LORD is scary… It is a day of darkness, where you understand you don’t know a thing, and every foundational belief you once held is shaken… SO YES, when the TRUTH OF GOD is revealed to you, you will SUFFER until you GET RID OF EVERY FALSE BELIEF you once held.

Remember, we are held over the hottest part of the flame, as silver is, and we are only released for it, when the SMITH sees HIS IMAGE clearly in it.

So in any event, when you really take the scriptures and search the other scriptures for witness of the words, like Furnace, Fire, etc… it becomes a lot easier to see the Truth of God, which is Salvation of all, through so great a plan, that the ONLY ONE LOST is the SON OF PERDITION (the adamic ignorant carnal antichrist nature in man)…

In any event, I hope this adequeatley explained that scripture for you. Peace. Jacob

Thank you all so much for being so supportive and loving and understanding we are all where we are, and if we be teachers we MUST BE long suffering, meak, gentle, loving, not seeking to strive, etc… And so far so good. Much love to you all, peace Jacob

AND SOME MORE

—- Here is some more response from comments made: This one focuses on Rev 20:15, where it says, depending on the translation that Every name not written in the book of life is cast into the Lake of Fire… First my response to what the word Name – really means.

“ONOMA” is indeed the correct greek word for Name which means “the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, ex. for one’s rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc. ” — It is the total NATURE of that PERSON … of course we say, Jesus and if we look at it literally, there are a lot of Jesus’s out there, but they all have different characteristics… So instead of believing in the name, we believe in the nature of that name… EVERYTHING the name covers…

Look at how dictionary.com translates NATURE when it applies to PEOPLE… reality, as distinguished from any effect of art: a portrait true to nature. 8. the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature. 9. the instincts or inherent tendencies directing conduct: a man of good nature. 10. character, kind, or sort: two books of the same nature. 11. characteristic disposition; temperament: a self-willed nature; an evil nature.

So even with Onoma we are talking about the NATURE of the PERFECT MAN CHRIST. Or the NATURE of the ADAMIC man.

Like you said, we’re on the same page. And I don’t get to caught up which bible is perfect or not, they all have mistranslations, additions, deletions… which is why the spirit of revelation comes in handy. ๐Ÿ™‚

— Now here is a complete breakdown of Rev 20:15

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose NAME was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. (Some translations leave the “Name” part out) This I grabbed from the NIV…

But a GREATER MYSTERY is revealed when… you translate each of those words from the Greek.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

WHOSOEVER translates from the Greek into (whatever/whoever)

NOT means Pretty much NOT

BUT FOUND: wow, when you translate FOUND… it opens your eyes. It doesn’t mean, found, like you find a chapter and verse in a book… It means:

FOUND= to come upon, hit upon, to meet with
after searching, to find a thing sought without previous search, to find (by chance), to fall in with those who come or return to a place
to find by enquiry, thought, examination, scrutiny, observation, to find out by practice and experience to see, learn, discover, understand

FOUND, basically means, the person sought and found – It is the REVELATION of CHRIST.

WRITTEN: means TO DESCRIBE, or EXPRESS, OR WRITE

BOOK: Translates into SCROLL (which we are meant to eat, which many saw in visions)

LIFE (ZOE) one of my favorites, means TO BE ALIVE, to live, breathe, be among the living

CAST means: to throw or let go of a thing without caring where it falls

INTO means: INTO

LAKE means: a harbour, haven

FIRE means: FIRE (God is a consuming FIRE)

Now watch what happens when you put them all together.

“Whoever or whatever did not find after searching the expression of LIFE (christ) is let go without worrying where it falls into a haven of God’s consuming fire!”

And the very next verse, after this is Rev 21:

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Like you said Christine, it is the FIRST NATURE OF MAN (adam) that is LET GO OFF, And burned (to keep with the allegorical theme) AWAY.

in adam all die (1st man is last) in christ (2nd man) all are made ALIVE (All find the expression of Christ)

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20 thoughts on “My Reply to why ALL MANKIND is SAVED!

  1. Mark Gollop January 7, 2011 / 4:16 PM

    Thanks for that Jacob. I too have come to believe in universal salvation after much study of the scriptures. I tell you I have got into so much trouble from other Christians, including friends and even within my own family. Even when I show people the scriptures that support this teaching and how this was the prevailing view of the early church, people sadly refuse to accept it. I so often feel isolated because I believe this, but I will not be deflected. God bless you brother.

    Mark Gollop
    Poole, England

  2. Joseph Clark January 7, 2011 / 4:32 PM

    Hey brother Jacob,
    It would be just great if everyone who is in this world would be saved, but according to the Word of God, this is not quite right. You see brother, somewhere along the line, you came up with the idea that we all, as in everybody has the Spirit of Jesus Christ within them, and this is not right either. You see the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost- (g-host) that is given only to those who will love and obey the Word of God, as it says,(Acts 5:32)(And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.) By this we all know the Holy Ghost is only given to those who obey Him who is (the Word of God). It is not given to the sinners who disobey the Word of God. As it is written many vessels are created to be destroyed, because it says some vessels are created to be honored and some to dishonor and shame. You see brother as God knows the beginning and the ending, He knows all those who He has chosen to be in the book of life and He knows those who were created to be destroyed. Therefore, as we have learned this is the real Hell, we know that Jesus Christ is the only one who gets to leave, as the Word says, (1Tim.6:15-) (Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;)(Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.) You see to be in Him (Christ Jesus) we are the Son of man who becomes the Son of God. These are all the children of God, who are gathered into one perfect man, it is not the children of darkness who will not cease to sin. On the other hand, (the left hand) who is the son of perdition who is to be destroyed with this world of Hell, because he would not deny his own self-spirit (the evil spirit of the flesh) (the serpent), who loves this world of Hell and still wants to enjoy his (self) in it.
    By this we see that the Holy Ghost is a gift only given to the obedient, not to those who walk in the vanity of their own little carnal minds. I love you brother Jacob. Please do not let your (self-spirit) keep you from reading the book that the Lord God had me to write, to open the eyes of all of His chosen ones, to see through the veil of carnality, into the Holiest of Holies, where the real Truth is kept hidden from all of the sinners. Then you will be enlightened as I was to understand these things more clearly. My web-site: http://www.TheRealTruthFromWithin.org

    • jacobisrael71 January 8, 2011 / 7:59 AM

      Hey Joseph,

      It’s cool that we see this a bit differently. If we use scripture as a means for finding out what we believe, which I do use without discounting other sources, people, and ideas, john 1 pretty much clears up the issue. Everything exists in the spirit of Christ, without it nothing was made, we ALL exist in God’s spirit, there is One spirit in all through… Now in some people are ignorant of this light (dead in adam) but the good news is ALL wake up in Christ. I have never claimed, or stated, people can just be saved and enter into the kingdom in the state they are in. But the work is done by God, through his Spirit. As far as being completely obedient to have the holy ghost, we saw Peter was disobediant and still had this spirit. And I agree that so long as you are walking in your carnal mind you cannot and have not overcome, I simply state that EVERYONE WILL EVENTUALLY OVERCOME THE WORLD (LUSTS of the FLESH) I think on this issue, you are just missing my point. Like I said, I don’t claim to be what people consider a universalist, I DO believe that ALL COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH and the STATURE of the PERFECT MAN… We cannot deny ourselves after all. Peace Joseph

      • Joseph Clark January 8, 2011 / 10:49 AM

        Dear Jacob,
        You have been blessed to see many things brother and at the right time they will all come together, for you to understand the things I have tried to share with you. The only thing that is preventing it from happening right now is what you said in your last sentence, ( We cannot deny ourselves after all. Peace Joseph.) This is why the Lord, (who was not one special member 2,000 years ago, but He is the Word of God) says to us, (If any man will come after me, let him deny his (self) and pick up his cross and follow me.) (Matt.16:24) (Mark 8:34) (Luke 9:23).
        You see Jacob the Word says, (Ecc.3:19) (man hath no preeminence over the beast.) This is telling us that with God, man is no better than a squirrel or a rabbit. The only thing that will set them apart is if the Lord God puts is Spirit, the Holy Ghost into the man, and then He becomes the Son of man, by the resurrection of the dead. Until this happens in ones life, he has no life, he is dead. Then only if he chooses to obey the Word of God is he given life. This is why men are just considered to be grass to be burned in the furnace. As the Word tells us only 8 people were saved out of Noah’s world and the rest were destroyed. This will show you that not all are saved. I wish you were right brother, for I would also like to see a world were everyone accepts the real Truth of the Word of God and we will see that someday but not in this world, because this world is the Hell we must overcome in the name of Jesus Christ, to be worthy of that world of paradise. You see Jacob our (self) spirit is the evil spirit of the flesh that makes you an individual- (in-did-vail-u), not one within the body of Jesus Christ. It is (the old man) that must die for us to be in the resurrection of the dead. This means, we are not to be a Joe Clark or a Jacob Isreal, but we are to be the Son of man, Christ Jesus / Jesus Christ. I love you brother. Please pray about these things and ask the Lord God, not your (self-spirit) and you will find out this is the real Truth.
        My Main Web-site:
        http://www.TheRealTruthFromWithin.org

      • jacobisrael71 January 8, 2011 / 10:59 AM

        Joseph,

        This is why I really don’t like trying to explain things to people who believe I am misled. Because anything I type can be taken out of context and made to look like I was wrong. When in fact, in contesxt what I wrote I believe to be absolutely right… When I wrote, “We cannot deny ourself” – I was speaking of our TRUE SELF (which is the spirit of Christ) which cannot be denied. The scripture I was using as my reference was this one… 2 Timothy 2:13
        If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
        — I wasn’t speaking of our carnal nature. In fact if you read my reply carefully, and look at everything in context you’ll see that. In any event, we ARE meant to LOSE OUR LIFE (CARNAL EGO MAN) … But our TRUE LIFE is Christ, that is who we are AT THE CORE OF OUR BEING. Our Life is Hid there… So, in fact, we CANNOT DENY OURSELF… In other words, God cannot fail, because it is finished, and all that needs to happen is people need to wake up to who they TRULY ARE. Which is God’s Image in the world, but not OF the world. I hope that makes it a bit more clear, you know I love you man. And we are all at different places in our walk, but we aren’t saying different things, you simply are seeing that we are. Peace J-Man, Jacob ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Joseph Clark January 8, 2011 / 3:48 PM

        Brother Jacob,
        As you mentioned Peter being full of the Spirit of the Lord, the Word shows us that he was only filled with the Holy Ghost after the Lord was put to death, which is a spiritual metaphor of us laying (the old man) down at the foot of our cross. You will even see in the Word that the Lord calls him Satan, when he thought and spake as a man speaks. You see Jacob as the Word tells us that the members of Christ are predestinated, we also then know those vessels that are created to be destroyed are also predestinated, as the Word says (Isa.45:7) (I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.). You see brother evil was created, so that we would overcome it in the name of Jesus Christ, and we already know that many have perished in sin, who was unable to overcome it. This happened only because they were created to be evil and to be destroyed. Everything happens because it is written to happen. You see this world only exists because of the Word of God, it is not a thing that happened just because there was a big bang.
        Also as you tried to make it look like everyone in this world is in Christ, by saying this, (Now in some people are ignorant of this light (dead in adam) but the good news is ALL wake up in Christ.) As you capitolized the word ALL, please meditate on the scripture and you will really see what it is saying. (1Cor.15:22) (For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.) You will then understand He is saying, all those who are baptized into the body of Jesus Christ, it is not saying ALL will be in the body of Jesus Christ. Please try to understand Jacob, I am not saying these things to be-little you, but to enlighten you, so that you will be Abel- (able) to carry the real Truth out to all of our brothers and sisters, who are still blinded by the veil of carnality. One more thing, you keep saying it has all been done for us and that all we need to do is to believe. This is the same evil doctrine that all the formalized religions teach by saying Jesus Christ was one special member who died for us 2,000 years ago and they say this for they think the Word of God is a history book, instead of it being the Living Word of God that we are to fulfill as members of His body. They are the ones who change Jesus Christ into their man-made idol,(as in thier golden calf), instead of the Living God that lives and dwells within us. So as we understand this, we realize there is more to it than just believing someone already packed our cross for us, because to know these things you will be hated by all men when you put on the Lord Jesus Christ as the Word says to (Rom.13:14). This is why the Word of God tells us that Jesus Christ comes at the end of the world, not 2,000 years ago. (Heb.9:26) (For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.) Please it is very important that you will not resist these words, but pray about them brother for you are to be a chosen one.
        My Main Web-site:
        http://www.TheRealTruthFromWithin.org

  3. Diane January 7, 2011 / 5:51 PM

    Well done it is always good to read truth, and to see it presented so simply and clearly in a way you can share with others.Thank you.

  4. Ann Hall January 9, 2011 / 10:04 PM

    I only wish I could enlarge the font to this comment;

    AMEN!!!!!

  5. T.J. January 10, 2011 / 10:25 AM

    Joseph,
    As a dad could your children ever do anything so wrong that you would turn your back on them forever and have them be destroyed? I know that mine could not. If I, in my carnal state, could not do such a thing, then how could an all-loving God who is perfect do such a thing? If you re-read through your posts, you will realize that you already know the truth. The truth is that in us, there is a duality. There is the carnal man(Adam, the man of sin) and then there is Christ. It is the same with everyone. This is why Jesus said a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. Just as we have two halves to our brains, so do we have two minds in us as well. The vessel fitted for destruction is the left side. The vessel made for honor is the right side. Joseph this is the same for each and every person. The only thing destroyed is the carnal nature in man. If you are to be truly honest with yourself, the reason you cannot accept the truth that God will have all to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth just as scripture states is because there is still a part of you who cannot forgive those who have wronged you in your life. In order to justify how you feel towards those people, you do what you must to attempt to align God and His word with how you feel. I do not say that to judge you so please do not take it that way. But the truth is, you obviously have great difficulty seeing anything good enough in most people for God to save them therefore, you write them off as sinners fitted for destruction. Not only that, Joseph, but you contradict yourself greatly. You do this by saying that God has predestinated those to be in Christ and you go on to show scriptures that support that God is the one in control of this thing we call life but in the next breath, you say we have to choose to obey. Joseph, if God is in control of everything in His creation, then there is no choice to be made. If God has made some into vessels of honor and some into vessels of dishonor, then we have no control over who or what we are. You cannot say in one sentence that God is in control then in the next put the power on our shoulders. You are doing the exact same thing most pastors do when they proclaim that God is fully soveriegn but end their service by saying we need to come forward and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Can you see how you do this? Again, I am not judging you, I am trying to help you. Jesus said that NO MAN CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS/DRAGS HIM. There it is for you. We cannot simply choose to obey anything. God said THE CARNAL MIND IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD NOR CAN IT BE. The carnal man, that carnal nature within us all who we function out of daily is not subject to the law of God. Is this speaking of the mosaic law which includes the 10 commandments? No, for that law was kept by the same pharisees that Jesus called hyprocrites. That law was kept by the same carnal men and women who wanted Jesus crucified. That is not the law God is speaking of here. The law God is speaking of is the law of LOVE. To love God with all our heart, MIND, spirt, and strength and to love others as we love ourself. On these two commandments ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS HANG/DIE on. Just as the flesh must be crucified on the cross of love, so is the law of sin and death that you hold over others must be crucified on the cross of love so the truth can ressurect. Joseph, none of us can save ourselves, because it is not ourselves that is saved. Who we beleive ourselves to be in this world must and will eventually die after each and everyone of us has served our purpose for one another. You see, Joseph, man sharpens man just as iron sharpens iron. The ones in our lives that we perceive to be lost or sinners, or whatever are there to sharpen us and we to sharpen them. We each serve our purpose for one another. I will fully admit that there is much that I do not know. I cannot quote scripture like you and Jacob can. I cannot recall every story in the bible. I haven’t even read the entire bible. I plan to, but I haven’t. I go to church not because it is what I want to do, but I do it to support my wife because I love and care for her and realize that by trying to forcefully keep her away from church or trying to convince her of my beliefs, I am being a stumbling block for her. I have a brother who is gay and I have never once judged him for it. I instead accept him for who he is and love him. I was abused, and went through withdrawl of drugs and alcohol at the ripe old age of 3 because that was what my biolical parents gave me and my sisters to keep us quiet and calm. I have completely forgiven them for it all and realize that all of it was for my good and they served a great purpose for me. You see, Joseph, it is not just about knowing scripture inside and out and using it to burden those around you. It is about living the lives God gave us to live and to realize how connected each and everyone of us are to each other. There are people who have never even heard of the bible let alone the name of Jesus and I bet they know the difference between love and hate, right and wrong. God teaches us with the lives He has given us. He teaches us through what we experience rather easy, hard, good, bad, right, wrong. He teaches us through those we come in contact with in our daily lives regardless of the type of relationship. Eventually, we will come to realize that the things we hate about others is the exact same things we hate about ourselves. We are a reflection of one another Joseph. The reason you cannot accept salvation and truth for all is because you see things in others that are in fact in you that are not worth saving. Like it or not, that is the truth and it is the same for all of us. Everything in our physical lives is there to teach us the truth. Try to love instead of hate. Try to accept instead of judge. Try to see yourself in others and they will see themselves in you. Joseph try these things and see if you don’t become more aware of the great truth that God is love and we are all His children and we are one. Yes, the carnal man must die. The beast must be cast into the lake of fire with hell and death. Yes we must pick up our own cross. But is God who will give us the strength to carry our cross. It is God who will give us the will to deny ourselves(who we believe ourselves to be in this world). It is all God’s work for God is the savior of all men.

    • Joseph Clark January 11, 2011 / 1:31 AM

      Dear T. J.
      I want to thank you for truly trying to help me by getting me to see things the way you see them. The trouble is that you mean well as a man does who has not seen into the spiritual as God wants us to see. As you have even said that you have not even taken the time out of your own life to read the whole holy bible, but stop and think of how many man-made movies you have watched from the beginning to the ending. You see brother this is why the Lord God says our ways are not His ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. This is telling us that we can not walk around in the vanity of our own little carnal minds thinking we can figure out God’s ways. See the only thing that cleanses us of this old man-made way of thinking that we know God’s ways without knowing His Word, is to know the Word of God, (the scriptures), that teaches us the real Truth, which washes the ignorance of the carnal man away. Then as you spoke of man having two natures or havles within him, for you said, (There is the carnal man(Adam, the man of sin) and then there is Christ.) this is not quite right. You see brother (the old man) has to die, before the new man Christ Jesus will come in, for He will not share His house with a sinner. You see brother this is why I mentioned in an earlier comment, that the veil does not open up to see into the Holiest of Holies, until Jesus Christ dies on the cross, which is an allegory or a metaphor of us the true members of the body of Jesus Christ laying our own (self), (the old man), (the evil spirit of the flesh), (the serpent- (repents)) down to die at the foot of our cross. You see this must first happen for us to be in the resurrection of the dead. If not you would still be a double-minded man and then we would know for sure that, we are not in the body of Christ, for when we are baptized into the body of Christ, we are given the mind of Christ (1Cor.2:16), not a double-minded mind. Then as you said that you still attend a man-made church just to please your wife, remember it is more important to please God, than it is to please your wife. Stop and think is God going to be pleased with you for going into the temple of the idol, where they preach the doctrine of idolatry, by changing Jesus Christ into one special member that was supposed to have lived 2,000 yrs. ago, instead of Him being many members in one body just to make your wife happy. Please brother T.J. read and meditate on the whole bible and you will see how ignorant this thing you are doing, instead of standing up as the real Witness with the real Truth. To understand this scripture might help you see how important my words are to you about your wife’s feelings, (Luke 14:26) (If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.)
      Oh one more thing as you said I feel the way I do, because of all those who have really hurt me; I really do not remember anyone hurting me to bad. People tell me that I am crazy all the time, but it really does not bother me that much, in fact it even charges me up, because it is what happens to all those who have been enlightened and filled with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is why it says, (ye shall be hated by all men, for my namesake.) So you see I feel the way I do, because I am the Word made flesh in Him. Now I do not say these things to hurt your feelings or to be-little you, but to awaken and to enlighten of the real Truth, which is only contained within the Word of God. I love you brother and when the veil opens up for you to see and understand these things, please help me lift up the real Truth.

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      • T.J. January 11, 2011 / 4:06 PM

        Joseph,

        Yes I have watched many, many man-made movies, t.v. shows, comedy stand-ups and even a little porn in my time and I will continue to do so, well maybe not the porn, but you know what I mean! Sorry J, hope you don’t mind me saying that! Anyway, none of that means that I don’t care about God or His word. Yes, I should read the bible more and I do plan on doing just that because I know it is good for our guidance. However, I strongly disagree with you and anyone else who claims that the holy bible is the actual word of God. The word was made flesh, not paper and ink. Joseph, the word is Christ, the annointed. The word became flesh. I completely agree with you that the old man must die before Christ can come but I know that Christ is in is us all, if nothing more, then at least as a seed that God planted in us all before the foundation of the world. I don’t agree with you that Christ would not share his house with a sinner. Christ hung out with sinners and called out the self-rightous pharisees and scribes for being hyprocrites on many ocassions. What I am getting at here is that the lives God gave us to live is His word. It is you and me and everyone else. If you were born a hindu, you wouldn’t being preaching to me from the holy bible and talking about Jesus, you would be talking about the Hindu beliefs. Do you see what I am saying? You see, the holy bible is only one facet of truth when it comes to God. I am not attempting to minimize its importance in the least, but it is not the be all and end all when it comes to our Father. I don’t believe God teaches anyone with only the holy bible. God teaches us with our lives. Again, we are His word! As far as going to church to support my wife, yes I do, and I will continue to do so. For a while, I was hell set against it and let her know just that. I then went on to try as hard as I could to show her the “truth” as I see it. But you know what? I failed. The only thing that came out of it was I began to push her away. I made her feel like she couldn’t be close to me anymore. Now tell me, does that sound like something Jesus would do? Or would Jesus simply love? I do not believe as many religions do, but I have learned that none of that matters. It doesn’t matter what we believe Joseph, what matters is that we embrace one another with love, respect, kindness, and long-suffering. That is what I am doing. As far as the scripture about hating our mother, father, wife, children, etc. I don’t believe that means we are suppose to literally hate the people in our lives in order to be a disciple of Christ. I believe it means that we are suppose to hate the WAYS OF THIS WORLD, which means to hate who we have believed ourselves to be in this world. I will tell you what man, if God is the way you believe Him to be, then I don’t want any part of Him. I cannot and will not get on board with the idea of a God who put us her, subjected us all to the vanity(carnality) that we are all dealing with and then said now it is up to you to choose me. No, I say to hell with that. A loving God(Father) would never do that to his children because that would mean that many would be destroyed forever. Sorry, but that is love. That is not what Jesus, Buddah, and the many others taught. They taught LOVE. But fortunately, I know God better than most to and better than even you do. Because I know that God is love. I know that God is fully soveriegn, omnipresent, an is in full, absolute control of His creation. I know that God works ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL. I know that God is the potter and we are the clay and the clay cannot be formed into anything without the potter’s hand. I know that god hardens who He desires to to and has mercy on those He wants. I know that God subjected all to vanity(carnality) because He subjected the same all to hope. I know that God has had all to die in Adam so All will be made alive in Christ, not just some, not just those who are baptised into Christ, but all. I know God is love and love is what is higher than our ways and our thoughts. I may not know the entire holy bible, but I know these things because my life has taught me these things, not some book. Again, not minimizing its importance. But I refuse to stuff God in the confines of the holy bible when all of the stories are not even in there to begin with. I refuse to believe that only the holy bible is THE authority for our salvation when there have been and still are millions of souls who have never even heard of it or the name of Jesus but they all still have their own teachings about love, and the divinity of mankind. So you can assume that I am walking around in the vanity of my carnal little mind and maybe I am, but if I believe in love and believe that God is love and loves us all enought to bring us all to salvation and the knowledge of the truth, then my man, that is enough for me. I am glad I met you Joseph, and I am glad I met Jacob, but I am done with all of the debating. I am done with everything that causes DIVISION. All I want to do is love. Without that, nothing matters. Without love, all of the bible knowledge in the world will not matter. I mean, check your history and see just how much the holy bible, God’s so-called word has been used to persecute and murder those who were deemed as sinners and lost or evil. Look at how much pain and suffering has been caused by those who have used the bible as a weapon to scare the masses into following their narrow-minded set of beliefs or risk facing destruction, hell fire, and eternal damnation and separation from their Father. Is it any wonder so many are turned off by th ebible and the nonsense that has come from it? Is it any wonder there are so many atheists today? Is it any wonder there are so many people who feel liek they are worthless peices of gargabe because someone self-righteous, vain individual used the bible to make them feel that way? Christ did not say no one can come to me unless the holy bible draws them, no, Christ said no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them. And what draws people to Christ, Joseph? Love is what draws people to Christ. That is what our Father is, Love. Pure and simple. Our Father does not condemn, He loves and saves. That is what I believe and that is what will continue to believe and do my best to model in my own life. The drug addicts of the world need love. The child molestors in the world need love. The rapists, the theives, the murderers, the liars, all need love. We all need love, not condemnation and hate, not division and separation, not fear and destruction, but love. And it is really hard to love those types of people isn’t it? You want to know why, because that kind of love, true love, can only come from God. It is a complete selfless, non-judging kind of love. You know people say we should forgive, but never forget. What kind of forgiveness is that? Is that what God does with us? Anyway, I know this has been a really long post, but I just had to say all of this stuff because surely there are people who will relate with what I have said. The bottom line is this, Love is all that matters. Love is what connects us to our Father and Love is what draws us to Christ, to the cross, and to the truth of who we are. Since this is my last post I just want to say that I love you all and wish you all the absolute best in your journey through this thing called life. No matter where any of you are at, just know you are not alone and that your Father is guiding you every step of the way and that He loves you and will never forsake you or leave you. Thbere is nothing any of you can do to ever cause Him to turn His back on you. Remember that no matter where you are, you are there because God brought you to it and He will lead you through it.

        Peace,

        T.J.

  6. Joseph Clark January 11, 2011 / 10:52 PM

    Dear T.J.
    Maybe after you have read the whole Holy Bible, and ask the Lord God, for the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth, you will see as it was meant for you to see. So until that happens you will not understand the things I say. You see until the veil opens up for one to see clearly, he will walk in a world of presumptions and assumptions to see and speak as a man speaks. So I am sorry you did not understand the things I spoke to you about. Therefore, I must break off my words now, but I will pray for you brother.

    One more thing brother, you see it does not matter what you believe to be the truth, the only thing that matters is the real Truth and it can only be found in the Holy Word of God, which are all of those beautiful scriptures written within your Holy Bible. They are the blood in my veins, for in Him we become the Word made flesh. Then when you fully understand what I am saying to you, please look me up, for we have much to do.

    My Main Web-site:
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  7. T.J. January 12, 2011 / 10:52 AM

    Joseph,

    I know I said I wouldn’t post again, but after re-reading through all of our comments, yours, Jacob’s, and mine, I realized that we are all saying the same thing. You are correct when you say that all will not be saved and Jacob and myself are correct when we say all will be saved. The only issue is what “all” we are refering to. When you say all will not be saved, you mean that the carnal man will not be saved and I agree with you on that. When I say all will be saved, I am not speaking of the carnal man, but the truth of who we are in Christ, our true nature. Joseph Clark will not be saved. T.J. will not be saved and Jacob will not be saved. Those are our egos, who we believe ourselves to be in this world we agree to be hell. Do you see that we are saying the same thing? T.J. will have to be destroyed just as the many people in the story of Noah that were OUTSIDE of the ark were destroyed. It is the carnal nature and that alone that is destroyed, but Joseph, that is not who any of us truly are. We are all so much more to God than we know, but because we have been so wrapped up in our egos, who we believe ourselves to be in this world, for so long, we can’t see that and we never will see that as long as our egos are in control. But Joseph, there is a duality to every man and you know that is true. Tell me, before you were given to see the real truth as you say so often, what kind of person were you? Were you the same person years ago that you are today? I seriously doubt it. You were not given to see truth because God decided to zap it in you, you were given to see truth because it has always been in you. That is why God says we are His temple. Joseph, God dwells within us all. He is the truth that is within each and everyone of us. But as long as the ego is running things in our lives, we will never know that. We will go on believing God is outside of ourselves and that we are not good enough or that we are in control and not God. That is what the ego does, it separates us from the truth. The ego is the veil of carnality and that is what must be rent from top to bottom before we can enter into the holie of holies. Until the ego is rent, we will not know the truth of who we are and will continue on walking around in the vanity of our carnal little minds as you say. But we are not just our egos, we are not even our egos at all. That is all an illusion, it is a lie, it is the father of all lies. Joseph, we are Christ, not our egos, but us, as one body, as the son of God who was crucified not 2000 years ago, but from the foundation of the world. We were crucified as one body, we died together and now we are being raised from our death(carnal mind/ignorance of the truth) but each in our own order. So, Joseph, if you will, you will see that we already agree on this. I really hope that because I told you that I have not read the “entire” bible that you will not dis-regaurd what I am telling you. You said that there is not a duality in man that it is either one or the other, but then why are earthquakes written so much about in scripture? Why was there a great earthquake when Jesus was crucified? An earthquake is caused when there are plates that are sliding past each other or collide against each other. Isn’t that exactly what happens within us? Doesn’t our two natures collide and cause fault lines in the earth, our carnal thinking? Doesn’t it take spiritual earthquakes to reveal the truth to us? Wasn’t the veil rent by an earthquake? I want you to know that I am not disagreeing with you. We are saying the same things. What I am saying is that none of us who have a consciousness in this world are who we believe ourselves to be. We are dead/asleep to the truth. But the truth is still within us, within the tomb of our carnal mind. The truth is dead, but it is still there and will be born in us, not our egos, but in us, the son of God in due time. I know it is hard to picture ourselve as anything other than who we are and what we do in our daily lives. We can preach that we are one and that we are not who we believe ourselves to be in this world as much as we want, but everyday, we go on functioning as though we are our egos and as though we are separate human beings. Science has proven that everything we experience in our everyday lives is created within our brain, that there truly is no “out there”. It is all truly an illusion. What if, we were to wake up from this illusion we were to realize that we are actually God Himself and the whole time were were simply dreaming our current reality up and none of it was ever real? I am not saying this is the truth, because I don’t know but it is something to think about. At some point we have to know that none of this is real, our egos are not real, our lives are not real, but it is all there to wake us up. How does a person generally wake up from a nightmare? They wake up at the worst part when it gets so bad they can’t take it anymore. I don’t, know, but I do know that nothing we believe to be real in this reality is real. It is all an illusion that tells us we are our ego and we are separate and that is the part of us that is destroyed. Anyway, Joseph, thank you for going back and forth with me. I really think you and I believe the same, there is only a discrepancy with the word “all” and what it really means. So please do not feel that you have to break off your words for me. We are all in this TOGETHER to help sharpen one another.

    Peace,

    T.J.

    • Joseph Clark January 12, 2011 / 2:32 PM

      Dear T.J.,
      From your words, I see there is still a difference with this word (ALL). You see brother you still do not understand, that all flesh is evil, because it is controlled by (the spirit of the flesh), (the old man), (the serpent- (repents)). This only changes when one will turn to the Lord God and obey His Holy Word. Then we are given (the Holy Ghost), which makes us a member of the body of Christ Jesus. It is not and never was something that we already had when we were sinners. It only happens as we are blessed with the righteousness of and the mind of Christ (1Cor.2:16). Just as it is written throughout the Word of God, as they repented and turned their hearts to God, they were filled with the Holy Ghost in this world and in the next world it will be the Holy Spirit they will be filled with. It also states in another scripture, that the Holy Ghost was not yet given to them, because the Son of man had not ascended into heaven yet. By seeing these scriptures, you will then know why there is a difference between the children of light and the children of darkness. This is why it says, (Matt.7:13-14) ( Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:) ( Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.) This really puts a dent in your theory that all of man-kind are saved. You see we are not in Christ until we are baptized into the body of Jesus Christ and this is not when some hireling who claims to be a sinner dunks you under some water, but it only happens when we are given the Spirit of the Lord, by the Father, who passed over before us. We are given this promise for our obedience to the Word of God. When you will read all of the Holy Bible, you will see these things more clearly. Please read the book called “The Truth From Within”, that the Lord God had me to write, to open the veil, as to open the eyes of His chosen ones to see these things. I love you and I am still praying for you brother T.J..

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  8. T.J. January 12, 2011 / 4:19 PM

    Joseph,

    I do understand that all flesh is evil because flesh represents our carnality or death. I completely get what you are saying. What I cannot understand is how any of us in our carnal state can choose to turn to God and obey His Holy Word? How can that happen? If the carnal mind is at enmity with God and the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God nor can it be, then how can it ever turn to God? I am sorry Joseph, but that doesn’t add up for me. Again, I am not saying that the flesh will be saved, I have never said that. I know the flesh must be crucified, I know that. But a carnal person is never going to say, hey, I’m a sinner and now I need to go bye bye. No, the ego wants to rule. It always has and always will want to rule in the place of God, so why would it ever, how could it ever turn to God? It couldn’t. It takes God showing us the truth about the difference between who we believe ourselves to be in this world, which is Adam, the ego, carnal, and who we truly are to God which is Christ, His Son. You keep saying we have to choose to turn to God and we have to choose to obey His Word, but you don’t explain how a carnal individual can ever choose anything other than what it was created for to begin with which is DEATH. Death can no more choose life than life can choose death, they are separate realities, are they not? Am I missing something here? To repent means to change your mind. It is an actual change from one state of mind to another state of mind. That is not something any of us can do on our own. It takes God. God repents, not us, that is, God changes our mind from the mind of Adam(carnal/death) to the mind of Christ(life). Now, either God will do this for all of us in this reality regardless of how carnally or spiritually minded we currently are or He will only do this for the “chosen ones”. I believe with all of my heart He will do it for ALL. You don’t have to believe this, but I would really love for you to explain how a carnally-minded human being turns himself to God and chooses to obey God’s Word. The only way that can happen is if God planted His Seed in that carnally-minded human being from the beginning, then fertalized that seed to impregnant that carnal mind with the truth about his personal carnal condition, the truth about the true God, not the ego, but our Father, and the truth about who that human being truly is to God, our Father. Simply put, Joseph, if the seed of truth, which is God, was never in the carnal individual to begin with as you claim, then it is not possible for it to ever be born. Now, maybe you will say God puts His spirit within us at a later time, and that is how we turn to Him and choose to obey His Word. But either way, it is God’s doing, not Adam’s. With all due respect, please stop telling me I need to read the entire bible. I already know that. What I want to know from you is how you believe death can choose life. That is all. If you can’t answer that, then we have nothing left to discuss.

    T.J.

  9. T.J. January 12, 2011 / 4:33 PM

    One last thing. Scripture states that NO MAN can come to Christ unless the Father who sent him draws/drags him. That one scripture puts a major dent in your theory that any man on his own can turn towards God and choose to obey His Holy Word. Also, scripture states that God will have ALL men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. That one scripture puts a major dent in your theory that all men are not saved. As far as few finding the narrow gate that leads to life, yes, that is how it currently is, isn’t it? There are many, many people out there who either rely on man-made religion for their salvation or who don’t even believe in God. That is how it currently is. But eventually, Joseph, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the GLORY OF GOD. Not some, but every. What I believe about my Father is not theory, it is truth. There is nothing but God and His will. He is the word who became flesh. He is us. We have no existance apart from Him. That is not my theory, that is the truth.

    Peace,

    T.J.

    • Joseph Clark January 12, 2011 / 11:15 PM

      Dear T.J.,

      First of all, I want to thank you very much for being patient with me, and being conciderate and kind enough to share with me the wisdom that God blessed you to see and know. This has helped me to see that the veil opens up for some, more than others.

      Your words are right on and they have opened up many things for me to pray about. I guess this is God’s way of showing me, the more light you put onto a subject, the easier it is to see it clearly. This must be why it is so important for us to draw together as one in Christ. I know it is a humbling feeling when you find out you were wrong about something, but it is much more a delight to see the real Truth. I love you brother T.J.

  10. T.J. January 13, 2011 / 9:58 AM

    Joseph,

    Of course I will be patient with you and I am glad you have been patient with me because I know I can be a little intense sometimes. Listen, I don’t want you to think that my comments to you have been about you seeing things my way. Honestly, I asked you those specific questions because I only want to know the truth, just like you. If I am wrong then I want to know that and be corrected. God has not taught me from the bible like He has some, He has taught me through others He has brought me to. That is why I believe we are the living word that became flesh because we are the temples of God and God is within us all. He speaks to us through others and teaches us with the lives He gave us to live. It matters not if we are christian, hindu, buddist, or even atheist. We all know in part and we shouldn’t cast one another away just because we don’t see things exactly the same way. The truth is, we all need one another regardless of how wrong, right, good, or bad we may perceive each other. Anyway, Joseph, thank you for taking the time to go back and forth with me. You have been kind and considerate of me as well and that speaks volumes about you. A lot of people get angry and resort to personal attacks or simply turns their backs on us when we challenge them, but you didn’t, so thank you. I wish you the best my man and I love you too.

    T.J.

  11. Bernetra April 7, 2011 / 9:29 AM

    its Universal BABY!!!! LOL im a christian universalist also Jacob and when i came to the knowledge of it through the holy spirit i was AMAZED!! then i told God YEP thats just like you!! thats truly his charcter! i just could never imagine a God thats ALL LOVING and ALL knowing will burn HIS people forever!! i could never come to terms with that every since i was young. Now in my adulthood life i TRULY see how we are ALL saved!! when God showed this to me i pondered on it a couple days then BOOM it HIT me GOD HAS SAVED ALL MEN!!! Bot Jacob My LOVE for god has become SOOOO deep now! i can ACTUALLY love MY DAD (God) with all that i have and NOT BE afraid of burning forever in this hell MAN has created! i truly see how perfect love cast out fear and how we are to be FREE in Christ! Who the son sets free is free indeed!! thats the REAL GOOD NEWS!!! love Jacob and keep the good work up for our FATHER!!!

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