A RESPONSE TO A READERS COMMENT
This morning, very early I found another email which was aimed at proving how wrong I was. An earlier email from this reader’s friend/ collegue, Victor stated I need to put on ashes and sackcloth and tear my blog down. He got real upset with one of my posts, or comments. Which is fine, each to their own. But instead of giving a long response to Sara in the comment section, I figured it was best to address her here. We may all learn something.
This all stemmed, when I stated to Victor, that if I was immature in my faith, his harsh comment would have kept me up all night worrying. I’ve been there, not a fun place to be, under the YOKE of another’s condemnation. But I no longer live my life that way. As you’ll see in this essay, I live my life and judge accordingly, if it ain’t love it ain’t God. This is why I thought it was so important to respond here. Because there are so many that are condemned and attacked when they step out of the box their religious leaders have put them in. I pray, that when the Victor’s and Sara’s of this world come to you and say, REPENT and put you under their control, you can step back and seek God for approval, not the Victor’s or Sara’s of the world for approval. The purpose of this blog, which Victor told me to tear down immediately (on God’s authority he believes he speaks from) is to encourage many to seek God and NOT MAN.
So, I wanted to put my response here because I have a feeling some good stuff may come out of it. I don’t deal with every jot and tittle of Sara’s email but I do overall deal with it. So please enjoy, my response.
What a lot of thought and energy went into your comment. I commend your effort, I see you belong to the same belief system as Victor, “Pathfromtruth”, I believe it is… In any event, I thank you for your comments, it will give me the oppurtunity to grow in grace and learn. You know I could delete this comment and never let it see the light of day, but Sara I want everyone to see the LIGHT OF CHRIST.
Now it seems you, like your friend Victor really want to “rebuke me” or “put me in my place” saying who is right and who is wrong. I understand your need to do this. It is hard to hear things that are very different than you believe. The day of the Lord is a scary (not the way you think scary is) day, because truly the “fear” that is coming from it, comes only from the CARNAL Mind.
That’s right, I’ll state it again. In God there is no FEAR, condemnation, guilt, shame, etc. In the spirit of TRUTH and LOVE there is none of these things. When you are united with God, when you seek first the Kingdom of God, all your spiritual needs are met (there is nothing to “fear” then) –
In fact, I believe it is “fear” that has put you and Victor up to writing me. Because if you cannot prove me wrong (which isn’t needed with love, for I could be wrong, but I’m okay knowing God will correct me if and when I am). But if what I have written is TRUE, then the axe indeed has been laid to your roots and you have to change your beliefs. And who wants to admit they have been misled…. Well, I will. I have been misled for years. No longer, praise God.
So I think it is a great thing to see all the scriptures you posted on here. It will give me the oppurtunity ti show you how I see them. Not to prove you wrong, because even if I did, my words alone cannot change your heart, Only God Can.
Not everyone is on the same page yet, but I have faith one day we all will be. God makes everything beautiful in its time. So whether you are right or I am, really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Because both of us will come to the Knowledge of the Truth and the stature of the perfect man. This is why I don’t worry about your comments, I seek God daily, always praying for the same thing, “teach me the truth, take away everything I believe that isn’t true, let me love and forgive, let me now the light, and be one with the light, to be a light in this world.”
Now this is a great lesson for me, because I like you at times, when I see others that are wrong I feel the urge to correct them, and we should correct people absolutely. But there is a right and wrong way to do it. So let us both pray that we know how to gently lead others to the truth, instead of bashing them, accusing them, and tearing them down. You don’t go to a homeless person and say, “YOUR A BUM, GET A JOB, YOUR LOST!” No, you say, “Let me help you find a home.”
Now you have stated that I have rejected salvation. That, I have to admit is a bit silly to me, considering I spend each day seeking God, knowing I have salvation and understanding what is truly is I am saved from. For one, I am saved from being yoked by religious people who codemn instead of save. (Jesus did not condemn others he came to save them. He came to give SIGHT to those that could not see (didn’t understand or claim to understand) and make blind those who did (thought they knew God = The Condemning Religious) – This is my prayer as well, I simply hope to inspire and encourage others, where so many have only beaten people to believe what they believe, I hope to heal and love and forgive and allow GOD to do his work, which I have complete faith in.
I want to RAISE UP CHRIST (THE WHOLE TRUTH) for the world to see, WITHIN ME, because I know CHRIST will draw ALL MEN.
But as for your many scriptures, which I will answer a few and not each one, as I do have LIFE. Notice I didn’t say a LIFE 🙂
Let’s go into your email a bit, perhaps we will all learn something from it.
First, let me point out the scripture I was referring to.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
So, God doesn’t give us this spirit. Which means, fear comes from another spirit giver (place of thought) = Carnal Mind.
This is why Jesus, was always saying BE NOT AFRAID, not of HIM, nor of God. That was ADAM’S problem, the carnal man FEARS GOD. Now look at that verse you quoted from one of the Gospels, I’ll use Luke’s. I believe you used this scripture as well.
4And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
FEAR HIM who has power to CAST YOU into HELL. Fear HIM! Now you mistakingly believe that is God. But it is not GOD that casts us into HELL, it is our VANITY that leads us there for CORRECTION. The Grave isn’t a bad thing, suffering teaches us to crawl out of our ignorant whole back to the light… But let’s look at the next line in LUKE, Jesus clearly once again tells them not to worry, that God is in control of their lives.
6Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? 7But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. FEAR NOT therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
You see Sara, when we look at the whole scripture, clearly Jesus is not saying FEAR GOD, he is saying FEAR HIM who has power to cast you into HELL. The question is, who is that?
The answer is the CARNAL MIND, the LIE. The strange woman in scripture, that HARLOT, and yes the LIES OF THE RELIGIOUS, for they do indeed inspire FEAR.
You see it is UNBELIEF that brings you into the PITS OF HELL. It’s not God, it’s your self effort and vain attempt to be God.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell (the grave/death/ignorance).
If what you believe isn’t true, get rid of it, or you will suffer because of it.
1My son, attend unto my wisdom, and bow thine ear to my understanding: 2That thou mayest regard discretion, and that thy lips may keep knowledge. 3For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: 4But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. 5Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on HELL.
When we listen to LIES, the end result is HELL/death/ignorance/suffering/the grave.
Now one could say, God does this, sure. But truly it is MAN that does this to himself, by seperating himself from the TRUTH. So of course, once you LEAVE the Kingdom of God (righteousness, peace, and joy) – you will be cast into HELL (Ignorant suffering)
Now, let’s look at the next verse in PSALMS you quote.
“And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall in wisdom think of His doing” (Psalms 64:9 MKJV).
The word FEAR in the HEBREW “Yare” means to to stand in awe of, be awed to fear, reverence, honour, respect.
You see, very big difference then how you have presented it here. As if all men are cowering because a vengeful God is standing above them, waiting to punish their every misstep.
What that verse really means, is this.
“And all men shall stand in awe, revere, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall in wisdom think of His doing” (Psalms 64:9 MKJV).
I stand in AWE of God, and REVERANCE God each and every day. And yes, I know once I leave that, I too, could suffer in the pits of hell. So I stay in scriptures that tell me “Be STILL and know that I am the Lord”, the THOUGHTS GOD gives are not ones of terror, but ones of peace.
We are not to be SCARED of our FATHER in heaven. MAN IS MADE in God’s image. Only an ABUSIVE PARENT a child is scared of. And God is LOVE.
Now let’s look at you’re next example,
“And hearing these words, Ananias fell down and expired. And great fear came on all those who heard these things” (Acts 5:5 MKJV).
Now, of course, ANANIAS DIED (he was ignorant of the Truth) – Ananias kept back part of the land, in other words he didn’t trust God was in control, this has nothing to do with literal money of course, it has to do with holding onto self effort and will. So when he “DIED” – Of course this inspired FEAR, “To be carnally minded is DEATH” – It was the CARNAL MIND of ANANIAS, HIS DEATH, that inspired FEAR. –
You see, most people who condemn in the name of God, and believe they are in control, and rely on “their” works and hold back part of the LAND (God’s temple) INSPIRE FEAR in those around them.
It’s interesting to point out that you are trying to prove that God wants us to be scared, ashamed, and guilty, as opposed to pointing to SALVATION – which is deliverance from ALL OF THAT. (which you said I don’t have)
Moving on to your next passage.
“And the man in whom the evil spirit resided leaped on them, and overcoming them he was strong against them, so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks who lived at Ephesus, and fear fell on all of them, and the Name of the Lord Jesus was magnified” (Acts 19:16-17 MKJV).
Once again, I will say, YES being possesed by LIES will cause FEAR IN MANY. And this FEAR only MAGNIFIES the PEACE AND TRUTH of CHRIST. – Without the DARK how would the LIGHT be MAGNIFIED?
Next passage of yours.
“Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear” (Romans 11:20 MKJV).
Once again, this word means fobeÑomai – “to reverence, venerate, to treat with deference or reverential obedience” The WORD ORIGIN actually speaks of REVERANCING a HUSBAND.
This is good advice, we shouldn’t be PROUD, and think we know it all, and I know there is even a good possibility that I could be wrong. But this is how I know TEST the spirits of God, if I don’t see LOVE, I don’t see CHRIST IN THE FLESH. And if I don’t see Christ than I know it is not truth.
Next passage of yours:
“For if I have boasted anything about you to him, I was not ashamed. But as we spoke all things to you in truth, even so our boasting as to Titus became truth. And his tender feelings are more abundant toward you, remembering the obedience of you all, as you received him [a man] with fear and trembling” (2 Corinthians 7:14-15 MKJV).
Now here, the word FEAR, actually means FEAR.- FO/BOV = fear, dread, terror, that which strikes terror
But read that passage again. HOW DO MOST PEOPLE FIRST ACCEPT JESUS? That’s right with FEAR! Because they are taught this. Go up a couple of verse and see how PAUL is actually REJOICING, that NOW in their faith, they DON’T HAVE FEAR 🙂
1 COR 7:13 – Therefore we were comforted in your comfort: yea, and exceedingly the more joyed we for the joy of Titus, because his spirit was refreshed by you all.
Paul is commending them, because at FIRST they were carnal scardey cats! But now they rejoice and are COMFORTED at THEIR COMFORT. – Hey don’t get me wrong, I was taught to be SCARED of God and Christ too, and this is ALSO how I first came to Christ, in FEAR AND TREMBLING. My carnal mind, however is what caused all of that, not GOD, for GOD DOES NOT GIVE US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR! 🙂
YOUR NEXT VERSE:
“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12 MKJV).
Now for this above passage, please look at it in context. The first verse begins this way…
Phil 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Here we see, he is saying there should be COMFORT, LOVE, FELLOWSHIP and UNITY.
Phil 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Have ONE MIND, next verse goes on to say…
Phil 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Including this back and forth, let it not be IN STRIFE of for VAIN GLORY, esteeming one knows better than the next. If truth be told, we are all ONE, and we should ALL UNDERSTAND as the next verse in PHIL states, that “It is God that works in us all for HIS GOOD PLEASURE”
It should never be about us, so YES, it is good advice to FEAR falling into these nonsence habits…. but once again, it does not mean that GOD GIVES US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR. They is nothing to FEAR but FEAR itself is basically the message here.
Now let me quickly address some of your other notes here.
“I will go; I will return to My place until they confess their guilt and seek My face; in their affliction they will seek Me diligently” (Hosea 5:15 MKJV).
We should confess, Lord I feel GUILTY, and this is why I feel this way… DELIVER ME. And you see how their GUILT caused them AFFLICTION. And YES, even our affliction, suffering, and pain, brings us to the TRUTH. In all things God is crafting our souls. But God wants us to ENTER HIS REST, and stop with all of that fear, guilt, shame nonsence… This is what it means to ENTER HIS REST, to KNOW GOD IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL.
To state that WE ARE in control, is the biggest of all SINS (foolish thoughts/ignorance)
Moving on to your next passages:
“Be righteously awake, and sin not; for some have ignorance of God. I speak this to your shame” (1 Corinthians 15:34 MKJV).
Of course, if you are IGNORANT of the TRUTH of GOD you wil have SHAME. Remember, it was SHAME that caused ADAM and EVE to hide and FEAR GOD. – Now without stating that we shouldn’t take the bible and turn it into an idol, as our forefathers, listen to the LAW OF THEIR HEARTS (Truth within) – I am not going to say that many translations are inaccurate and we should see God in all things instead, of a book. Because I love scripture, but I put my faith in CHRIST WITHIN, and scripture is good to help me along the way.
But I will say, that because of unbelief there is fighting, backbiting, debating, etc, I speak this to your “shame” – It is our SHAME that MAKES us fight to prove we are right. If we can prove we are right, then we won’t feel so insecure and insignificant. But when you are in the UNITY OF THE SPIRIT, you realize you don’t need to prove anything to anyone. You don’t need to be a man pleaser, but you seek God’s face (truth/wisdom/unity/relationship)
You see, you, like Victor, want to prove you are right and I am wrong. But, I merely write about what I am inspired to write. I don’t really have to prove whether these things be true or not. Let God be true and every man a liar. But if the spirit of unity and love and encouragement is not found in the body of someone’s rebuke, then we must question why.
Moving on with your email:
Back to me: So, there is a place for all these things – fear, guilt, and shame. They point the way, leading us to Christ. If we acknowledge (confess) the reality of our guilt and shame, this brings us to receiving the fear of God, which leads to salvation.
HERE I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU! We must understand that our CARNAL NATURE, (who we think we are, or were) gives us fear, guilt, shame, and a lot of other terrible things, and we confess this, and say, IT IS NO LONGER THESE THINGS THAT LIVE but CHRIST, then we will find the PEACE that passes carnal man’s understanding.
Back to you again:
The fear of God forms the spirit of power and love and a sound mind, which spirit “Jacob Israel” claims to have, but he doesn’t, and he can’t, because he rejects that which brings one into salvation.
I have to STRONGLY disagree that FEAR, GUILT AND SHAME SAVES US. I would say, CHRIST SAVES, and to confess CHRIST is to depart from these EVIL thoughts. And it is not up to you, to say whether or not I am saved from fear, guilt, and shame. You cannot know if I be saved or not, because you are not me, or God. I can say, I have LIBERTY which is freedom and peace, and in many areas of my life I have been saved. My salvation is a daily thing, each day I work it out.
Your next passage:
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; but fools despise wisdom and instruction” (Proverbs 1:7 MKJV).
I will admit, I believe almost everyone begins their journey toward understanding and truth being scared of God. That doesn’t mean, FEAR is of God. It means, you are FEARFUL (Men’s hearts fail them for FEAR) BECAUSE you are still IGNORANT, and have NOT YET BECOME WISE. So this in a matter of speaking would be the beginning of WISDOM, would it not?
Now, we know WISDOM is a TREE OF LIFE. And there is no FEAR in wisdom. Neither is there condemnation, no guilt, or shame.
Yes many people are scared of God, seeing God as a tyrant creating people destined for infinite torture, but this is but the beginning of their journey.
WE ALL DIE IN ADAM, but if by MAN came DEATH (fear, guilt, shame, ignorance, condemnation) by MAN will also come the ressurection into LIFE (TRUTH, LIFE, PEACE, AND A SOUND MIND)
Jesus constantly told his disciples FEAR NOT. There is a reason for that. It is because FEAR, SHAME, GUILT, CONDEMNATION is NOT from GOD. So when we get these feelings we KNOW to turn back to GOD.
I agree, that FEAR, GUILT, SHAME, ETC also brings us to God. If this were not the case, the creation would not be finished in victory. In ADAM all die, IN CHRIST all shall be made alive. All things work together, eventually.
So for you, Victor, or whoever else is apart of your site, fear, condemnation, guilt, and shame may be the God you worship, but me and my house (Temple) worship the God OF LOVE and TRUTH. I am not scared of my FATHER in HEAVEN, only those in the world have fear.
So, I don’t get upset when people come against what I have written. If it is not true, I have FAITH God will bring that to light, and he will do so LOVINGLY, or as I need if I be stubborn and ignorant. As a Father who LOVES corrects a young child who knows no better.
Here is your last line below: I have to say “Not nice :(”
“Therefore the showers have been withheld, and there has been no latter rain; and you had a harlot’s forehead, you refused to be ashamed” (Jeremiah 3:3 MKJV).
Now your last passage here, basically is more fear tactics. Saying I have refused to be ashamed (I can only assertain, that you mean repent of what I believe)
Well, you’re wrong there, I have been ashamed in my life, many times. And still when I step out of line, I am ashamed, but I remember that IN MY FATHERS HOUSE all are provided for, and I leave the pig slop of fear, guilt, and condemnation, that the carnal religious teachers have fed me in years past for the LOVE, COMFORT AND TRUTH that only GOD PROVIDES.
So, Sara I say to you, choose this day which God you’ll serve. The one who condemns? Or the one who saves?
What you and Victor here have done, reminds me very much of what the Religious leaders of Jesus’ day did to him.
52Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. 53And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: 54Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.
Jesus said, you have one that accuses you already. Moses. If you live by the law, you die by it. If you are going to try and wait for me or anyone to write something that isn’t one hundred percent true, then find a better way to help that man, heal the withered hand, don’t stand around pointing saying, “I can’t heal on the sabbath”. Don’t condemn and attack, encourage and build.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Instead of saying FEAR is what God wants, remember that GOD CASTS OUT ALL FEAR.
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
And as you can tell by my response to both you and Victor. I ain’t scared of you 🙂 But I loves ya, I loves ya so much that I hope we can agree that we all know in part, until that which is perfect is come. And when it is come (REVEALED) then there will be no more ACCUSING will there?
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
I am FREE, but I will try to never allow my liberty to cause another to stumble. Think on these words, and I pray to hear from you again.